[candidate-development] [adcom] delegate allocation

Wed May 7 22:13:19 EDT 2008

Eli - please document any decision made - I have been at every emeting - no 
decision has been made.

Tassinari was asked about what consituted released - she told us to ask our 
own lawyer - we ahve not agreed to engage a lawyer.   I asked that figures for 
apportinment when "release" happens after apportionent and when "release" 
happens before apportionment.

We still have no legal advice on the definition of release.   

And unless you can point to some decision I have missed, then "BASTA now!" 
means - no apportionment - no delegates for the convention - is that what you 
are proposing?

Thanks, Grace
In a message dated 5/7/08 9:52:17 PM, elibeck at gmail.com writes:

> Grace, the power is in your hands to stop being tired of this.
> Really.
> 
> The decision has been made -- one that you are clearly not happy with (which
> seems to be a recurring theme, or is it a recurring dream?).
> 
> It is a misrepresentation (to put it mildly) that we simply reaffirmed the
> delegate selection plan. We added this piece:
> 
> "Candidates that are not in communication with their delegates to
> instruct them after the first vote or
> roll call have effectively released and freed their delegates"
> 
> We added it to address Brown, Ball, and Nader -- agreeing that there was
> nothing we could do except to
> a) hope maybe they release their delegates or
> b) free their delegates after the first roll call
> 
> I find any attempt to represent otherwise an abuse of trust, power, and
> process, all wrapped up into one.
> 
> Believe me that I mean ENOUGH when I say BASTA, and I beg you to stop this
> apparently endless posturing.
> 
> Yours in the convoluted struggle,
> 
> Eli
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:44 PM, <Gracegrnrnbw at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> > Well, the statecom did not decide the allocation - since we reaffirmed our
> > pretty mangled Delegate Selection Plan - it clearly states that allocatin
> > is
> > decided by CDLC and adcom not the statecom.
> >
> > And Eli - however tired of this you are - I am surely AT LEAST as tired.
> >
> > I agree BASTA - problem is I think it is absolutely clear that Brown, Ball
> > and Nader are not candidates and therefore cannot get delegates.   And if
> > you
> > considered them candidates at the time of the primary, they have certainly
> > released their delegates by announcing they are not seeking the Green
> > Presidential
> > Nomination, they clearly at not now seeking delegates.
> >
> > You want BASTA to mean the opposite.
> >
> > and we are all on adcom.
> >
> > So if we have to make a decision by email that is anything but concensus,
> > we
> > have only one email decision-making process vetted and agreed to be the
> > party
> > - and that takes three weeks.   If someone wants to put out a proposal
> > today.
> >
> > I think a face-to-face meeting will be both more productive and take less
> > time.
> >
> > And clearly, time lines are not in any way binding since we have not been
> > bound by any of the time lines in the Delegate Selection Plan to-date...
> > so
> > lets just schedule when we can...
> >
> > Yours, Grace
> > In a message dated 5/7/08 6:58:35 PM, gooberthink06 at yahoo.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > Whatever kind of meeting we have, I hope everyone will have by now
> > > carefully read the delegate selection plan and the minutes of the most
> > recent State
> > > Committee meeting.
> > >
> > >   Now ------------ I agree with Grace that we should take the delegates
> > > assigned to Nader, Ball, and Brown and divide them equally amongst the
> > delegates
> > > who are actually still standing for party nomination.
> > >
> > >   Others may or may not have other formulations in mind.
> > >
> > >   The main question that I see is how whatever Adcom decides is going to
> > be
> > > in sync with the decisions agreed upon and consensed at our recent State
> > > Committee meeting.
> > >
> > >   In struggle,
> > >
> > >   Gary Hicks
> > >
> > > Merelice <merelice at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >   On 5/7/08, Eli Beckerman wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can we schedule a face-to-face meeting but deal with the
> > > > delegate allocation now? We need to get the virtual StateCom
> > > > meeting to happen.
> > >
> > > This is my (and I hope others') current assumption. At this stage, the
> > > calculation is a technical matter that has followed defined criteria.
> > > As requested earlier, when I sent out CDLC's memo, please review the
> > > calculation and respond with your approvals and/or
> > > concerns/suggestions. The clock is ticking.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Merelice
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