[candidate-development] [statecom-discuss] Fwd: Re: PEOPLE'S ISSUES?

Sat May 10 17:37:00 EDT 2008

Eli, Gary, Grace.

I do believe that this is one of those times when kindness may be in  
order.

With understanding.  And not "Just in terms of Jesse Johnson .   .   
" , and acknowledging that without the famous Nader in the room, the  
famous McKinney has replaced, I hope that I am not being too unkind by  
suggesting that by now the campaigns of Swift, Mesplay, and especially  
poor (as "non-existent for _our voters_" as where he might have been,  
or indeed was) Jesse Johnson, could be better served by encouraging  
them to come to Massachusetts, assist the GRP with party building, and  
picking up as strong a following as they may. The best way of  making  
all candidates for the GPUS nomination in July 'more equally existent'  
to our is to invite them to meet our voters,  to assist in organizing,  
thus demonstrating their abilities  as leaders in making our parties  
what they should be.  I will not be so Duopolistically crass, or  
indelicate, as to suggest that it might also be a good way to pick up  
delegate points.'

I good try 'deserves' recognition.  And I have even been known to try  
comforting _myself_, saying, "Well, I tried!"
Elie Yarden,
CDLC

On May 10, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Gracegrnrnbw at aol.com wrote:

> Eli - Just in terms of Jesse Johnson...
>
> Actually, since I found out that Jesse was not ever reached about  
> being on
> the ballot, I have thought the best resolution would be to re-ballot -
>
> Tassinari's office and has the name and address of everyone who  
> voted in our
> primary.   We could get a certified impartial organization to send  
> out a
> regular ballot with the four present candidates (regular meaning  
> including No
> Preference and space to written, like our standard ballots) and re- 
> vote the
> primary.
>
> The problem without that is that Jesse has simply been non-existent  
> for our
> voters.   The right to vote is more than pulling a lever - and his  
> info was not
> available to GRP voters anywhere...
>
> Thanks for listening - Grace
> In a message dated 5/10/08 10:34:26 AM, elibeck at gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> Gary, to be completely honest, I am a bit dumbfounded by what is  
>> motivating
>> this.
>> If you can enlighten me, please do. But I maintain the motivations  
>> stated
>> thus far --
>> that privileged Mr. Nader was given advantage over all of these other
>> disadvantaged
>> candidates -- do not explain the events that have taken place to  
>> this point.
>> Points
>> of fairness like that are being made, when convenient, not based on
>> principle. If a
>> principled stand like that were the true motivation, then I don't  
>> think Mr.
>> Johnson's
>> candidacy would have been a) used for advantage in the argument and  
>> b)
>> subsequently
>> cast aside in proposals that would have given Mesplay, McKinney,  
>> and Swift
>> all of
>> Brown's, Ball's, and Nader's delegates.
>>
>> Once again, please enlighten me, but don't pretend that an honest  
>> argument
>> is being
>> put forward here. I see this is being contorted into all sorts of
>> non-issues, and I can't
>> for the life of me understand why. You have labeled it a Green versus
>> Rainbow thing
>> ("Greenland security against the fear of a Rainbow Planet"), likewise
>> without the
>> "who,what,when,where,why". Grace twisted the decision at State  
>> Convention
>> into
>> a gender issue. And Mike has named the race and class dimensions.  
>> And now
>> the
>> same group who has demanded that we need to follow our own  
>> decisions is
>> pretending
>> that a decision that was FINALLY made by the State Committee was  
>> not made.
>>
>> Dumbfounded,
>> Eli
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:18 AM, gary hicks  
>> <gooberthink06 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> gary hicks <gooberthink06 at yahoo.com> wrote: Date: Fri, 9 May 2008  
>>> 23:16:56
>>> -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: gary hicks <gooberthink06 at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [candidate-development] [statecom-discuss] GRACE'S
>>> ISSUE?--------------------------- DON'T YOU WISH!!!
>>> To: Eli Beckerman <elibeck at gmail.com>,
>>>   candidate development <candidate-development at green-rainbow.org>
>>> CC: statecom-discuss-bounces at green-rainbow.org,
>>>    members ADCOM <adcom.members at green-rainbow.org>
>>>
>>>   Eli:
>>>
>>> You make reference to:
>>>
>>>
>>> the continued pursuit, by a small handful of people, through
>>>> whatever
>>>> means possible, for additional delegates for a particular  
>>>> candidate,
>>>   under
>>>> the guise of fairness, in clear disregard for decisions made, in
>>>   clear
>>>> disregard for the time and energy of party volunteers, in clear
>>>   disregard
>>>> for the lost opportunity to inspire people to want to be a part of
>>>   the
>>>> state
>>>> party or the national convention.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, I find the posturing for this particular candidate to have
>>>   the
>>>> exact opposite effect of encouraging support for her that I wonder
>>>   how
>>>> much
>>>> the concern for the success of her campaign is driving this, versus
>>>   some
>>>> other hidden or subconscious or counterposed motivation. It's  
>>>> also a
>>>   very
>>>> uninspiring condition for party volunteers to engage within.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> In past weeks, I have seen and heard charges of "partisanship"  
>>> from John
>>> Andrews and others, and now from you.
>>>
>>> First let me make it clear: I am a NOTA as concerns presidential
>>> candidates, and removed my name from those applying for delegation
>>> to Chicago because I did not wish to be assigned to any of these  
>>> folks,
>> all
>>> of whom are involved in internecine warfare based on the ego-driven
>>> nerve to think that this year, their candidacy [ or that of their
>>> surrogates] is going to make a difference in the craziness as has  
>>> unfolded
>>> thus far.
>>>
>>> Having said this, let me ask from you and others waving the bloody  
>>> shirt
>> of
>>> "partisanship" the questions that any journalist asks
>>> when writing an article:
>>>
>>> WHO?
>>>
>>> WHAT?
>>>
>>> WHEN?
>>>
>>> WHERE?
>>>
>>> WHY?
>>>
>>> Please fill these in in detail. If you cannot, please desist from  
>>> making
>>> such accusations.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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