[Convention] Fwd: Re: [ComCom] Re: AdCom/ConvCom
david rolde
davidrolde at yahoo.com
Wed Aug 30 22:17:25 EDT 2006
--- Mike Heichman <mikeheichman at verizon.net> wrote:
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:07:10 -0400
> From: Mike Heichman <mikeheichman at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [ComCom] Re: AdCom/ConvCom
> To: "This is the Communication/Media working
> committee email list." <comcom at green-rainbow.org>
> CC: AbolishPoverty at aol.com, adcom at green-rainbow.org,
> convention at green-rainbow.org, Gracegrnrnbw at aol.com
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I do not have privileges for Adcom or the Convention
> e-mail lists and I
> request that someone forward my message to these
> lists.
>
> I have a major concern.
>
> "We have met the enemy and it is us." (Pogo)
>
> I don't believe that it is conscious but I believe
> that "sabotage" is a
> common theme of our campaign. I know that sometimes
> I get in the way of
> my (and our) best efforts. I'm fortunate that
> sometimes Grace and
> Melissa are kind enough to point it out to me.
>
> Case in point is the convention. We have a
> convention planning committee
> that is taking the lead in planning the convention.
> However, the job of
> getting as many people to the convention as we can
> is our collective
> responsibility. We have had so many disagreements
> which is absolutely
> fine. However, I'm concerned that we are spending so
> much energy
> tripping over each other that we are practically
> paralyzed.
>
> I don't know what the solution is to the details of
> how we move forward.
> I'm willing to stand aside on how we move forward.
>
> I would like to have more information (like a
> leaflet, postcard) that I
> know is being worked on-ASAP-so I can send it to the
> members of the
> Boston/JP e-mail list. Our chapter is meeting this
> Sunday--I'm hoping
> that we will be given some phone calls to make. (I
> don't know how many
> we will make, but we need the tools.)
>
> I hope that we can get it together and do the best
> that we can to
> mobilize a turnout for the convention.
>
> Mike Heichman
>
>
> david rolde wrote:
>
> >Dan, Paul & Lisa at the Convention Committee
> meeting
> >on Monday did agree that we can't mail out the 500
> >postcards. But I was there and did not agree. And
> >Grace has since then posted saying she thinks we
> can
> >mail out the 500 postcards. We have a standing
> Adcom
> >decision to mail out 500 postcards as soon as
> possible
> >to notify some people about the convention. Only 3
> >out of 12 Adcom members have said they want to
> >overturn the decision. Grace has stated a proposal
> for
> >how the 500 names and addresses should be
> determined.
> >Who has access to these lists that Grace is talking
> >about and can go through them and see who we don't
> >have email addresses for? Is there someone who can
> >work on this this week? Paul's draft postcard
> seemed
> >fine and doesn't need much more work.
> >
> >- David
> >
> >--- Gracegrnrnbw at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I am not sure how the 500 was going to be selected
> >>but our email ists if we
> >>use the announce list, the "supporters list" from
> >>Jill and Jamie's runs last
> >>time, and an overlapping donors list includes
> >>thousands (although since they
> >>overlap I don't know how many thousands). a call
> >>toeach camapign requesting
> >>that they make this notice a priority and getting
> a
> >>commitment should add many,
> >>many hundreds more.
> >>
> >>This notice needs to be pretty exciting with a
> >>catchy subject line to get
> >>through the email overload most people experience!
>
> >>Maybe an evite like Jamie
> >>did for our press conference announcing we re on
> the
> >>ballot.
> >>
> >>Also, just for clarity- the signature collector
> list
> >>belongs to the whole
> >>slate.
> >>
> >>Then whoever was going to go through to id the 500
> >>list maybe could review
> >>all these lists and see who on them is listed
> >>without an email and mail to those
> >>people.
> >>
> >>Just a suggestion, Grace
> >>In a message dated 8/30/06 12:07:55 AM,
> >>AbolishPoverty at aol.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>In a message dated 8/29/06 12:41:56 PM,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>paulmushrush at gmail.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>><<
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>You'd agreed, last night, to notify AdCom of our
> >>>
> >>>
> >>decission
> >>
> >>
> >>>to change their plan to send a postcard to a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>select group
> >>
> >>
> >>>of 500 members. Well, I'm working on the ConvCom
> >>>
> >>>
> >>minutes
> >>
> >>
> >>>right now, and I'll be happy to send the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>postcard/email section
> >>
> >>
> >>>to AdCom. See it, cop-n-pasted below.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Let me know if you'll be doing this, or you'd
> >>>
> >>>
> >>rather I do it.
> >>
> >>
> >>>thanx!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>
> >>>Paul
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>paulmushrush at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>978.413.1152
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>*Notification:*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Convention Planning Committee members, excluding
> >>>
> >>>
> >>David, arrived at an
> >>
> >>
> >>>agreement that the AdCom decision to mail out 500
> >>>
> >>>
> >>postcards to more active
> >>
> >>
> >>>members of the MGRP listservs is faulty. As Dan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>pointed out, and Lisa and
> >>
> >>
> >>>Paul agreed to, sending a postcard to a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>subjectively selected list of 500 *
> >>
> >>
> >>>active* members would most likely be repeating a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>more affordable email
> >>
> >>
> >>>announcement, which all of these individuals
> would
> >>>
> >>>
> >>likely receive if it were
> >>
> >>
> >>>just announced through email. Dan stated that
> this
> >>>
> >>>
> >>selection of individuals
> >>
> >>
> >>>will prove to be a rather elitist action, and
> that
> >>>
> >>>
> >>an announcement mailed to
> >>
> >>
> >>>some members ought to be mailed to all. Having
> not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>attended the August AdCom
> >>
> >>
> >>>meeting, Dan does not know how an arbitrary
> number
> >>>
> >>>
> >>of 500 was ever decided
> >>
> >>
> >>>upon. David voiced serious concerns with this
> >>>
> >>>
> >>ConvCom discussion, and said
> >>
> >>
> >>>that we must comply with decisions made by AdCom.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>If we are to send out an email message to all
> >>>
> >>>
> >>listserv recipients and
> >>
> >>
> >>>everybody active in the party, the following
> lists
> >>>
> >>>
> >>should be included:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Â Â - MGRP lisrsevs
> >>>
> >>>Â Â - All campaign volunteers
> >>>
> >>>Â Â - Patrick Keaney's list of petition
> gatherers
> >>>
> >>>Â Â - MGRPAnnouncement email listservs
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Dan will compose this email announcement message.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>We all agreed that in addition to sending email,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>phonebanking should quickly
> >>
> >>
> >>>be conducted/ [Dan Kontoff joined us briefly, by
> >>>
> >>>
> >>phone, and agreed to
> >>
> >>
> >>>coordinate phonebanking efforts.] >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:40:41 -0400
> >>>From: "Paul Mushrush" <paulmushrush at gmail.com>
> >>>To: Lisa-Richards-GRP-ExpCom
> >>>
> >>>
> >><AbolishPoverty at aol.com>
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> >>
> >>>Subject: AdCom/ConvCom
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Lisa,
> >>>
> >>>You'd agreed, last night, to notify AdCom of our
> >>>
> >>>
> >>decission
> >>
> >>
> >>>to change their plan to send a postcard to a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>select group
> >>
> >>
> >>>of 500 members. Well, I'm working on the ConvCom
> >>>
> >>>
> >>minutes
> >>
> >>
> >>>right now, and I'll be happy to send the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>postcard/email section
> >>
> >>
> >>>to AdCom. See it, cop-n-pasted below.
> >>>
> >>>Let me know if you'll be doing this, or you'd
> >>>
> >>>
> >>rather I do it.
> >>
> >>
> >>>thanx!
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Paul
> >>>
> >>>paulmushrush at gmail.com
> >>>978.413.1152
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Notification:
> >>> Convention Planning Committee members, excluding
> >>>
> >>>
> >>David, arrived at an
> >>
> >>
> >>>agreement that the AdCom decision to mail out 500
> >>>
> >>>
> >>postcards to more active members
> >>
> >>
> >>>of the MGRP listservs is faulty. As Dan pointed
> >>>
> >>>
> >>out, and Lisa and Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>>agreed to, sending a postcard to a subjectively
> >>>
> >>>
> >>selected list of 500 active
> >>
> >>
> >>>members would most likely be repeating a more
> >>>
> >>>
> >>affordable email announcement, which
> >>
> >>
> >>>all of these individuals would likely receive if
> >>>
> >>>
> >>it were just announced
> >>
> >>
> >>>through email. Dan stated that this selection of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>individuals will prove to be a
> >>
> >>
> >>>rather elitist action, and that an announcement
> >>>
> >>>
> >>mailed to some members ought to
> >>
> >>
> >>>be mailed to all. Having not attended the August
> >>>
> >>>
> >>AdCom meeting, Dan does not
> >>
> >>
> >>>know how an arbitrary number of 500 was ever
> >>>
> >>>
> >>decided upon. David voiced
> >>
> >>
> >>>serious concerns with this ConvCom discussion,
> and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>said that we must comply with
> >>
> >>
> >>>decisions made by AdCom.
> >>> Â
> >>> If we are to send out an email message to all
> >>>
> >>>
> >>listserv recipients and
> >>
> >>
> >>>everybody active in the party, the following
> lists
> >>>
> >>>
> >>should be included:
> >>
> >>
> >>> • MGRP lisrsevs
> >>> • All campaign volunteers
> >>> • Patrick Keaney's list of petition
> >>>
> >>>
> >>gatherers
> >>
> >>
> >>> • MGRPAnnouncement email listservs
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dan will compose this email announcement
> message.
> >>> Â
> >>> We all agreed that in addition to sending email,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>phonebanking should
> >>
> >>
> >>>quickly be conducted/ [Dan Kontoff joined us
> >>>
> >>>
> >>briefly, by phone, and agreed to
> >>
> >>
> >>>coordinate phonebanking efforts.]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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