[GNC] After November? What's wrong with now?
Betty H. Zisk
zisk at bu.edu
Fri Aug 6 10:58:55 EDT 2004
I want to express my absolte dismay at the Miller/Forrest article. As some
of you know I waivered in my uncommitted role--followed my heart at the
first forced vote of MA delegatin and voted for Lorna. Then climbed on Nader
bandwagon but it was too late and too little and too dishonest. That said
(sigh) I support the Cobb ticket despite all the warts. If I had my drothers
I would sit it out. But I am a loyal Green to the end. I am outraged by the
innuendo that Miller and Forrest spout. Gil, i have family commitments that
I cant escape--but what can I do for you on Grace's cleanup? I came into
this debate late. I still want to go back to Maine with my head held high. I
have known Carol Miller for some years--never expected this of her. I have
known Lorna forever. She remains silent on this I hope. We need to remain
Greens and Rainbows. We dont need this stupid and vitioloc hassle. Please
help me and all of us to get it behind us. Betts (I am willing to stand out
in the rain as I have done for Nader and now for Cobb but I cant defend us
on this issue unless I find support among fellow Greens. Pat is a total
airhead; David isnt much better. Should I just defend our platform? Or what?
BZ)
-----Original Message-----
From: gnc-bounces at green-rainbow.org
[mailto:gnc-bounces at green-rainbow.org]On Behalf Of Gil Obler
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 4:09 PM
To: 'Green National Convention'
Subject: RE: [GNC] After November? What's wrong with now?
Please DO NOT take my previous reply as a slam on David Rolde and
Owen Broadhurst.
Both of them are people who have consistently shown up and sacrificed
for the party and the movement. They are not part of the problem. They
are part of the solution.
However, I am frustrated by a lack of recognition of where we really
are as an organization and what it will take to get somewhere else.
It is my personal opinion that when we have more people chipping in
to help Steve Milder and I clean Grace's house for the Zitola/Johnson
fundraiser than formulating foreign policy in the Sudan we will be a
lot closer to those goals (EVEN in the Sudan).
Gil Obler
GRP Alternate (MA), USGP Coordinating Committee
Middlesex Delegate, Green-Rainbow Party State Committee
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: gnc-bounces at green-rainbow.org
> [mailto:gnc-bounces at green-rainbow.org] On Behalf Of Gil Obler
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 3:33 PM
> To: 'Green National Convention'
> Subject: RE: [GNC] After November? What's wrong with now?
>
>
>
> > Also my opinion is that a vote for Kerry is a wasted vote even in a
> > so-called swing state as Kerry is not a good alternative to Bush.
>
> Do we live in a swing state?
>
> This is what I mean about armchair radicals living in
> cyberspace.
>
> We live in Massachusetts.
>
> How about we work on our party here in Massachusetts instead of
> worrying so much about what happens in other states? Do Greens
> in Illinois and Miochigan waste time telling us what to do here
> in Massachusetts?
>
> Do I wish we were committed and organized enough to present
> a viable threat to Kerry and Bush in Massachusetss in this
> election? YES. Do I think we are? NO.
>
> We cannot even get more than a handful of state committee
> members to commit to $10/month for the party (I will be
> presenting a plan for a 10&10 program [$10 and 10 hours per
> month] to the fundraising committee shortly).
>
> We cannot even get more that 20-30 people to show up at the
> GRP-sponsored rallies at the DNC. We cannot get more than
> a handful of people to volunteer consistently for Rich, Nat,
> Jill, Carolina, Ebony, and others.
>
> When we have 50,000 members, 10,000 10&10 activists, 1,000
> volunteers showing up at rallies, picket lines, and campaign
> activities, then we will be a viable alternative. When we
> have a state committee that can meet without struggling for
> a quorum at every meeting, when 20% are not active on a
> working committee rather than 20% that are active.
>
> I eagerly await such a day.
>
> Gil Obler
> GRP Alternate (MA), USGP Coordinating Committee
> Middlesex Delegate, Green-Rainbow Party State Committee
>
>
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gnc-bounces at green-rainbow.org
> > [mailto:gnc-bounces at green-rainbow.org] On Behalf Of David Rolde
> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:15 AM
> > To: Green National Convention
> > Subject: RE: [GNC] After November? What's wrong with now?
> >
> >
> > I know Kucinich supporters who already changed their registration
> > from Dem to GRP this spring when it became clear that Kerry
> was going
> > to win the nomination.
> >
> > Also my opinion is that a vote for Kerry is a wasted vote even in a
> > so-called swing state as Kerry is not a good alternative to Bush.>
> > - David
> >
> > At 9:16 AM -0400 8/5/04, Gil Obler wrote:
> > > > I have personally been urging Sharpton and Kucinich
> > >> supporters I know to consider Cobb.
> > >
> > >I was NOT suggesting that we avoid doing this as
> individuals between
> > >now and November.
> > >
> > >I also was NOT suggesting that we, as a party, avoid asking them to
> > >vote for Cobb.
> > >
> > >Voting for Kerry in Massachusetts, aside from the problems
> one might
> > >have with him as a candidate, is simply a wasted vote
> (i.e., it will
> > >not add to his electoral college count).
> > >
> > >I WAS suggesting we wait until next year for a concerted
> > programmatic
> > >attempt to woo Kucinich/Sharpton Dems into our party.
> > >
> > >There is a difference between voting for Cobb and joining
> the party.
> > >
> > >I WAS suggesting that, while some Kucinich/Sharpton
> > supporters may be
> > >ready to consider voting Cobb, getting them to register with the
> > >Green-Rainbow may be premature.
> > >
> > > Gil Obler
> > > GRP Alternate (MA), USGP Coordinating Committee
> > > Middlesex Delegate, Green-Rainbow Party
> > State Committee
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: gnc-bounces at green-rainbow.org
> > >> [mailto:gnc-bounces at green-rainbow.org] On Behalf Of Owen
> Broadhurst
> > >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:02 AM
> > >> To: Green National Convention
> > >> Subject: RE: [GNC] After November? What's wrong with now?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> No, he's CAMPAIGNING for office and betraying the progressive
> > >> agenda.
> > >>
> > >> By no means have I qualms in urging all Massachusetts voters to
> > >> reject him. His DNC speeches and, indeed, his whole entire
> > >> legislative record, show him an exceptionally dangerous
> > > > threat to the whole entire globe and most Americans.
> > > >
> > > > I have personally been urging Sharpton and Kucinich
> > > > supporters I know to consider Cobb.
> > >>
> > >> OB
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Gil Obler" <greengil at comcast.net>
> > >> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:30:51 -0400
> > >> To: "'Green National Convention'" <gnc at green-rainbow.org>
> > >> Subject: RE: [GNC] After November? What's wrong with now?
> > >>
> > >> Re:
> > >> Re: My two cents:
> > >> Re:
> > >> Re: What is wrong with now is that Kerry is not yet
> > in office and
> > >> Re: betraying the progressive agenda.
> > >> Re:
> > >> Re: I suggest: not now, not in November, but in
> > Spring/Summer 2005
> > >> Re: after Kerry turns corporate with his agenda.
> > >> Re:
> > >> Re: Right now, Kerry is playing the politicians
> > game and saying
> > >> Re: enough of the "right things" not to convince us
> > Greens (and
> > >> Re: Green-Rainbows) but to convince the Kucinich
> > Dems that he is
> > >> Re: "secretly a progressive".
> > >> Re:
> > >> Re: We need to be smart, show a little patience,
> > and not overplay
> > >> Re: our hand too early.
> > >> Re:
> > >> Re: Gil Obler
> > >> Re: GRP Alternate (MA), USGP
> Coordinating Committee
> > >> Re: Middlesex Delegate, Green-Rainbow Party
> > >> State Committee _______________________________________________
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