[statecom-discuss] Working with other political parties - open thread

[John Walsh]

Empire?  You know it when you see it.
At least the Libertarians, the genuine ones, are against war and
empire.  Imagine if we could get that far and then duke it out over
the rest.  Humanity would thank us profusely.
And I like talking to the Libertarians because they constantly
challenge me to defend my views - instead of pretending they agree
with me like the PDA.  As a result I feel that my views are correct -
but I am always looking for flaws.  And the Libertarians are also in
favor of a state free of religious influence and for a state that does
not interfere in sexual preference or speech in any way, shape or
form.  Are not those much more important than the level of taxation or
the size of government?  And anyway I believe in the inherent evil of
the state and hope for its withering away in its present form.  The
Dems do not like that idea at all.
jw


On 11/9/06, Mike Heichman <mikeheichman at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> What do you mean by "empire"?
>
> The reason why I ask this is because the Libertarians believe in limited
> government. However, there idea of liberty means that they are OK with a
> "SYSTEM" that may mean allowing a few to be billionaires while billions
> of people live in misery.
>
> I do not believe that there vision is consistent with our values.
>
> For me, opposition to empire means to be opposed to the multiple systems
> of domination and oppression.
>
> At the same time, I do agree that there is a wide area of common ground
> for us to work collaboratively.
>
> Mike Heichman
>
>
>
>
>
> John Walsh wrote:
>
> > I think that our main job is to tell the whole truth with lots of
> > documentation.
> > The GRP makes no sense if the Dems are doing a fine job.
> > For example, on the question of single-payer, the Dems have sold out
> > their base and the entire electorate again and again.  Many have
> > pretended to be allies but when push comes to shove, they have sided
> > with the insurers - for example, Travaglini.  Rember Travaligni was
> > the Senate author of the single-payer bill.  But once he got into
> > leadership (partly thru the kind words of the single-payer folks), he
> > turned against the bill that bore his name.
> > Our job right now is to build party and movement, and that is why I
> > emphasized party in that op-ed (NOT a letter to the editor) which by
> > the way was carried in a paper in the TandG with a circulation of
> > 100,000.
> >
> > And many of the "progressive" Dems, like Marzilli and Bonifaz, are
> > far, far, far more loyal to party than principle.
> >
> > Two people mentioned to me that they thought that the GRP had gone
> > easy on the Dems in this last round, and I think we lost one of those
> > votes for that reason.  But of course that is all in one's perception.
> >
> > Actually I would prefer coalitions with Libertarians, were there any,
> > since at the very least they oppose war and empire.
> > jw
> >
> > On 11/9/06, Colby E. Peterson <saphron at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Topic of discussion:
> >>
> >> Let's say we win a seat in the state legislature at some point, which
> >> is bound to happen.
> >>
> >> What are everyone's expectations for working with members of other
> >> political parties? Be as general or specific as you'd like. I bring
> >> this up because however unsavory we may find other political parties,
> >> we will have to work with individual legislators in order to govern.
> >> This may also mean compromise, which is getting some things and
> >> sacrificing other things on all sides.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> - Colby
> >>
> >>
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