[statecom-discuss] Re: publicly put in your place

[John Walsh]

Those stats are not bogus.  They were mentioned in a full page ad
opposite the editorial page in Sunday's Times (NY not Jerusalem).
It was run by the CNI here.  Look up CNI- it will warm the cockles of
whatever that is in there.
The Lobby is taking more and more hits - first Mearsheimer and Walt,
then Ned Lamont, then the CNI ad and the CNI'S growing influence, then
this election.  I think we have thrown the dog into the water -
although that leaves the job only half done.  Iraq has taught us that
PNAC, or equivalent, will strive to rise again even after a decade or
more in its tomb - or is that a basement.  Read the PNAC documents -
no hidden conspiracy there, the plan is laid out in grim detail.
jw
p.s. Congrats on banning the gay demo in Jerusalem - I understand that
the Rabbis were joined by the fundamentalist Xtians and Mullahs in
rejoicing.  Perhaps instead of one secular state, you might end up
with one fundamentalist state - with clerics of each faith responsible
for the immiserating their respective flocks.  What a vision!


On 11/9/06, Eric Danis <salanter43 at gmail.com> wrote:
> John,
>
> Your statistic is completely fabricated, 40 percent of all Americans do not
> believe that Israel was behind the war on Iraq. But I obviously don't expect
> honesty or integrity from a person who is a member of a party that shows up
> at parades to scream hate slogans at children.
>
> The two-state solution is not impossible in any way. As soon as the
> Palestinians stop brainwashing their children to blow themselves up in pizza
> parlors (and Islamic terrorists around the world stop targeting New York,
> Pennsylvania, Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Bali, Spain,
> London, etc.), there will be peace.
>
> If so many people are on to us nefarious Likudniks who gather in each
> others' basements to rule the world, why was the pathetic SDP unable to win
> a non-binding vote in one measly district in Somerville? Why did SEVENTY
> PERCENT of the voters vote against Francis and the SDP regarding divestment?
> Sounds like you've got a real revolution on your hands, Che.
>
> Speaking of pathetic, I haven't seen any other GRPs calling you classist or
> insensitive on the list-serves in a while. You must miss be publicly put in
> your place, huh?
>
> Your buddy in "historic Palestine"
>
> PS - It's mighty generous of you to attempt to rid the world of official
> state religions, but we Jews suggest you start with one of the more than 50
> Muslim countries first, rather than the world's only Jewish country. It's
> only fair...
>
>
>
>
> On 11/10/06, John Walsh <jvwalshmd at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dearest Eric,
> > Your condemnation certainly means that we are on the right track.
> > Right now 40% of Americans believe that Israel was behind the war on
> > Iraq, 40% do not and 20% are undecided.  But I bet, given the fears of
> > being labeled anti-semitic that 50% now know that Americans are being
> > killed and maimed for the sake of the Likudniks.
> > As that realization grows, the Israeli Lobby will find itself in
> > hotter and hotter water.  They would be wise now to push for a
> > one-state solution since the Israeli-created "facts on the ground"
> > have now made a two-state solution impossible.
> > Onward to a secular state in all of historic Palestine.  No more Xtian
> > states.  No more muslim states.  No more Jewish state.
> > Let's move into the 21st century.
> > jw
> >
> > On 11/9/06, Eric Danis <salanter43 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Colby  P. wrote, "The public reaction has been mixed, but encouraging,
> with
> > > the recent  ballot referendums in Somerville with 40% voting in favor of
> the
> > > Palestinian right of return and 30% in favor of divestment."
> > >
> > > You couldn't even pass two NON-BINDING ballot initiatives in a single
> > > district, and 70 percent of those who voted did so against divestment
> (and
> > > you closely allied yourself, via Ron Francis, to the SDP). What exactly
> is
> > > encouraging about that? All of the major Somerville papers wrote
> editorials
> > > trashing the iniatives and those who were sponsoring them. Now that's
> some
> > > great publicity for your party (good job, communications director, and
> > > Francis is once again in hot water in Andover - more good news).
> > >
> > > "At the same time, pro-apartheid forces are attempting to use our
> platform
> > > to destroy us. This is, of course, to be expected,"
> > >
> > > In the same email, you claim that the GRP needs to be less inflammatory
> and
> > > provocative, and then you label everyone who believes that the Jews
> deserve
> > > a country (which is the position of the UN) as being "pro-apartheid." It
> is
> > > exactly this kind of hysterical misuse of language that has hurt your
> party
> > > so badly. Your usage of such terminology shows you have no understanding
> of
> > > the media and are unfit to be a communications director.
> > >
> > > "This challenge is on-going, as most people are led to believe that
> > > opposition to Israel equates to anti-Semitism."
> > >
> > > Wrong. Everyone understands that it is OK to be critical of Israel.
> Israel
> > > is a democracy, and self-criticism is a way of life here (check out
> > > www.haaretz.com). What is wrong is singling out one country in the
> ENTIRE
> > > WORLD for punishment and divestment, solely because it is the country of
> the
> > > Jews. That's what you have done.
> > >
> > > "However, it must be clear to the public that criticism of Israel, and
> even
> > > our call to reform the fundamental structure of the region, is not
> > > anti-Jewish."
> > >
> > > This coming from the guy who just a few paragraphs ago called every
> Israel
> > > supporter pro-apartheid. You are clearly not the one to lead this
> effort,
> > > and Francis certainly isn't. Has your party stopped writing "Israel" in
> > > quotation marks, or is that still done in private emails?
> > >
> > > "To say that we need not court these people because 'they are
> > > racists/fascists/imperialists anyways' is irresponsible and negligent,
> these
> > > people came to us to learn about us, and may leave thinking we are
> racists
> > > because we are not providing them with anything to counter that
> impression
> > > based on what they have been told  their entire lives."
> > >
> > > Yeah, the following are NOT the problems:
> > >
> > > A) The fact that Ron Francis speaks using anti-Semitic caricatures, such
> as
> > > his statement that Zionists (Jews) control the media and the Congress.
> > > B) The fact that David Rolde wore a sign supporting Hezbollah, a group
> that
> > > killed 200 U.S. Marines.
> > > C) The fact that many in your group write Israel in quotation marks,
> > > signaling their belief that 6 million Jews should once again be
> > > expelled/killed.
> > > D) The fact that you single out one country in the entire world for
> > > punishment (the state of the Jews).
> > >
> > > No, the real problem is that you have failed to "educate people"
> properly.
> > > Good luck with that.  Can you please educate me as to why I should want
> a
> > > majority of Palestinians to live in my country so that I too can be
> governed
> > > by Hamas, a group whose charter calls for the murder of Jews, as opposed
> to
> > > "just" Israelis?
> > >
> > > "We cannot afford to be flippant or exclusionary in this campaign,"
> > >
> > > You mean like using the term "pro-apartheid"?
> > >
> > > I will be extremely pleased if you can write back and explain to me why
> I
> > > apparently support apartheid, while it's OK for Saudi Arabia and Jordan
> to
> > > be officially Muslim, and OK for many countries in Europe to be
> officially
> > > Christian-Democratic.
> > >
> > > I eagerly await your answer here in "historic Palestine," oh, and
> congrats
> > > on losing 70-30 on the divestment issue, you must be very proud. At the
> very
> > > least I am glad that you have once again started posting your
> anti-Semitic
> > > messages on the Web again. It's an important reminder for people who
> might
> > > get the mistaken notion that your party stands for environmental gains.
> > >
> > > Eric Danis
> >
>
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