[statecom-discuss] Re: [ComCom] Here's an idea - For tuesday

BillCunningham etwee at earthlink.net
Mon Feb 12 15:35:41 EST 2007 

I agree with Adam that there are times we must work together with Dems, and that this is not one of those times.

In each decision that we take, let us ask ourselves the two questions:

How will this make our party stronger?

How will this help the people?

I do not believe this would help the party or the people.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Adam Sacks <adam_artist at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Feb 12, 2007 1:34 PM
>To: Discussion List for StateCom members <statecom-discuss at green-rainbow.org>
>Subject: Re: [statecom-discuss] Re: [ComCom] Here's an idea - For tuesday
>
>
>I think the Constitution Party article that Grace sent out is relevant here: just because someone is a Democrat doesn't mean that we always disagree or can't stand together on the same platform when an issue is important to us - if denouncing Romney is actually that important (personally, I don't - I think he's headed for the deepest dirtiest dustbin history has to offer).  We are a political party, not a religion.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Adam
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: "gracegrnrnbw at aol.com" <gracegrnrnbw at aol.com>
>To: davidrolde at comcast.net; comcom at green-rainbow.org
>Cc: statecom-discuss at green-rainbow.org
>Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:46:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [statecom-discuss] Re: [ComCom] Here's an idea - For tuesday
>
> This is not about "denouncing" - we should have done this when Kerry ran too but we were not strong enough then. This is about exposing when you have the power and position to do so.
> 
> This is funny - everyone is so about criticizing when we don't really have a platform - now we have a platform to behave as a legitimate opposition and folks don't want to!
> 
> So many folks thought it was so important for me to be visible opposing Romney's anti-marriage rally whenI was running.
> 
> Now we could get legitimate press coverage opposing him on that and a number of other things and folks don't want to??????
> 
> We would have been with tons of dems, many of the same ones in fact, at the counter-to-anti-marriage protest - then it was okay?
> 
> This is a continuation of that kind of protest - except we are the initiators and we get national press- help me out here?
> 
> Thanks, grace
>    
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davidrolde at comcast.net
> To: comcom at green-rainbow.org
> Cc: etwee at earthlink.net; statecom-discuss at green-rainbow.org; gracegrnrnbw at aol.com
> Sent: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [statecom-discuss] Re: [ComCom] Here's an idea - For tuesday
> 
>  I agree with Bill and Mike that it is not a good idea for GRP to join with Democratic Party organizations to denounce Romney's run for president. John Kerry is our senator from this state. Kerry was just as bad as Bush - and in fact was collaborating with Bush - and Dems supported Kerry instead of pushing for any kind of real change. Kerry or Obama or Hillary Clinton or whatever Dem candidates are running are not a real or positive alternative to Romney and the other Republican candidates. We should not denounce Romney or other Republican candidates without denouncing the Dems at the same time. - David 
> 
> On Feb 11, 2007, at 8:29 PM, Mike Heichman wrote: 
> 
> > I agree with Bill. There are so many more important things to focus > on than getting involved in going after one of the potential > Republican candidates for President. Let the Republicans and > Democrats choose their own candidates without our "interference". 
> > 
> > Mike Heichman 
> > 
> > 
> > BillCunningham wrote: 
> > 
> >> I'm sorry, I don't know where to begin. I do not think that joint >> media events with an enormously powerful adversary can help us. 
> >> We are NOT at the point of becoming the State's second political >> party?by almost any measure, we are a small and weak organization. >> We have only just begun to develop a strategy to change that. 
> >> 
> >> I believe these are the conditions under which we must work and >> make our choices at least until the Party makes a strategic >> decision as to how to move towards change. 
> >> 
> >> We could only stage such a joint media event with liberal >> Democrats with the understanding, whether explicit or not, that we >> would refrain from attacking or upstaging each other. 
> >> 
> >> Using the event to sharpen public perception of our political >> difference with the liberal Democrats, would be an unprincipled >> betrayal of such implicit or explicit understanding. We must show >> that we can be trusted, because even with folks who are generally >> adversaries, there will be times when we must cooperate. 
> >> 
> >> So I feel that if we arrange a joint media event, it would likely >> smudge what is, for many people, an already-fuzzy line between us >> and the liberal Democrats. I think that would be harmful to the >> Party, and harmful to the People. 
> >> 
> >> I think you'll agree this is beyond the competnece of a working >> committee to decide, so I'm passing it along to the StateCom >> discuss list. 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> 
> >>> From: gracegrnrnbw at aol.com 
> >>> Sent: Feb 11, 2007 6:55 PM 
> >>> To: etwee at earthlink.net, comcom at green-rainbow.org 
> >>> Subject: Re: [ComCom] Here's an idea - For tuesday 
> >>> 
> >>> The point of the idea was to start a discussion with input -- any >>> chance I can get more than "I vote no"? We have a chance to take >>> a serious bite out of the momentum of a right wing presidential >>> hopeful - probably the most right wing - we should not take the >>> opportunity? When national media is going to actually be >>> interested early on in the story - instead of waiting till he has >>> built up much more momentum and we won't be of interest to them >>> in pointing them in the right direction? 
> >>> 
> >>> More than a "no", please? Love, grace 
> >>> 
> >>> -----Original Message----- 
> >>> From: etwee at earthlink.net 
> >>> To: comcom at green-rainbow.org; comcom at green-rainbow.org 
> >>> Cc: wmv01462 at hotmail.com; lucballgame at yahoo.com 
> >>> Sent: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:22:10 -0500 (EST) 
> >>> Subject: Re: [ComCom] Here's an idea - For tuesday 
> >>> 
> >>> I vote no 
> >>> 
> >>> -----Original Message----- 
> >>> 
> >>>> From: gracegrnrnbw at aol.com 
> >>>> Sent: Feb 11, 2007 4:24 PM 
> >>>> To: comcom at green-rainbow.org 
> >>>> Cc: wmv01462 at hotmail.com, lucballgame at yahoo.com 
> >>>> Subject: [ComCom] Here's an idea - For tuesday 
> >>>> 
> >>>> In the hopes of moving forward in positioning us as the second >>>> party 
> >>> in this 
> >>> state - my guess is the national party would want to know about >>> this too. 
> >>> 
> >>>> But I think we should host a bi-partisan or non=partisan press 
> >>> conference on 
> >>> Tuesday (either explicitly us and invite the Dems to co-host or >>> invite a bunch 
> >>> of groups as a coalition effort) - as a formal reply from the >>> people of 
> >>> Massachusetts to Romney Presidential announcement. 
> >>> 
> >>>> We would need some folks to comb whatever presidential website >>>> he has 
> >>> to see 
> >>> what he is claiming. 
> >>> 
> >>>> We have to remember that we would be speaking to the whole country 
> >>> (more 
> >>> conservative than Mass) and that we want to discredit him with >>> the Christian 
> >>> right among other things - 
> >>> 
> >>>> If scheduled like two hours after his announcement, we should get 
> >>> national 
> >>> media - I already have some bites from key activists outside the >>> GRP - What do 
> >>> you think? 
> >>> 
> >>>> Love, grace 
> >>>> 
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