[statecom-discuss] Re: [candidate-development] greens 4 nadar 08
Yarden
yen.yarden at verizon.net
Sun Mar 18 06:38:12 EST 2007
John,
I really has hoped to lay this 'particular' conversation to rest by a
proposal that was approved by the GRP State Committee. That proposal
was designed to reduce the quantity of speculative political bookmaking
that distracts people, and may even interfere with developing a local
participatory democracy sense of politics. Whatever else they may be,
here and elsewhere in democratic countries, presidential elections are
primarily a spectator sport.
If we participate at all, that participation must serve to expose the
ideological assumptions about; the electoral college, the 'two-party'
system, the ballot box, the role of money and advertising, separation
of powers, the 'political' elite, populism, etc. I know of nothing to
prevent us from entering his name in the Massachusetts primary other
than a refusal to do so on his part. I did my best to persuade him to
do this in 2004. To no avail. It was not even possible to get through
the apparatus that surrounds him. His primary loyalties, like almost
any presidential candidate, are to himself, and not to any party. Not
even to one that he might help to create. His main strength is as a
speaker for the values that many of us hold. He has far more work to
raise an awareness of the destructive paths of duopoly politics than
any of us have. He has no interest in actively pursuing a new
political path building new political institutions.
If you or anyone else would like to have him on the Massachusetts
primary ballot, you are free to pursue the course of approaching him
with a petition signed by a thousand, ten thousand, or a hundred
thousand, in Massachusetts. It might be as useful to talk to him about
it.
Peace,
Elie Yarden
On Sunday, March 18, 2007, at 01:46 AM, John Walsh wrote:
> I agree with Mike.
> And if the national Green Party can put Nader on the ballot, why can't
> we?
> But it is probably too early to have this discussion.
> jw
> p.s. PLEASE SIGN AND CIRCULATE: WWW.FilibusterForPeace.org
>
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:02 PM, Mike Heichman wrote:
>
>> Hi John and Grace,
>>
>> A couple of clarifying comments/questions:
>>
>> 1. My memory of Ralph Nader's campaign in 2004 was that he was not
>> always so staunchly anti-Dem. He had said some kind words about
>> Kucinich and he had said that he had wanted to push the Dems and
>> later Kerry in a more progressive direction. When you say that Nader
>> supports all of our principles, what are you referring (Do you mean
>> the 10 Values? If not, what are all the principles?)
>>
>> 2. Grace, I don't understand why Nader can't be on our primary ballot
>> if he decides to pursue the Green Party nomination. In 2000, he was
>> on the MA ballot in November because he was the Green Party nominee
>> and because I believe "we" had to get the necessary signatures. He
>> wasn't a Green then. In 2004, when he decided not to pursue the Green
>> Party nomination, we honored his request and his name was not on our
>> primary ballot. He still wasn't a Green. We put Cobb's name on our
>> November ballot because he was nominated by the Green Party's
>> convention-not because he was a Green. Please explain.
>>
>> I am not speaking in favor or in opposition to Nader at this point.
>> While I believe that he has some strengths, I do not see him
>> perfectly aligned with Green values. At the same time, if he decides
>> to pursue the Green Party nomination, I think we should "welcome" his
>> candidacy, as well as others who are or will be candidates.
>>
>> Mike Heichman
>>
>>
>> John Walsh wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Grace,
>>> But Nader embraces all our principles. And he also is consistently
>>> tough on the Dems which some of us thought was the one shortcoming
>>> in the your otherwise superb campaign.
>>>
>>> So if Nader can boost the Green principles, then perhaps we should
>>> change our rules. I am tired of hearing from our critics that the
>>> Greens are dysfunctional. Let us break that mold.
>>> jw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2007, at 8:43 PM, GracCRoss at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just a reminder- not a registered Green, then you cannot go on our
>>>> ballot - Love, Grace
>>>> In a message dated 3/17/07 12:08:09 PM, john.walsh at umassmed.edu
>>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have added my name to the petition. So please include me.
>>>>> My comment to the petition was:
>>>>> John Walsh
>>>>> 16 Chauncy St., #37
>>>>> Cambridge
>>>>> MA
>>>>> 02138
>>>>> 508 868-1653
>>>>> jvwalshmd at gmail.com
>>>>> One way to set the stage for 2008 is to make the Dems take a stand
>>>>> on
>>>>> Iraq. It takes only 41 Senators to end the war. They have the power
>>>>> and then some. Will they exercise it? If not, it is surely Ralph\'s
>>>>> turn.
>>>>> Please visit, sign and circulate widely.
>>>>> www.FilibusterForPeace.org
>>>>> Mar-17-2007
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 17, 2007, at 1:33 AM, Jamie O'Keefe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > [I am not on statecom-discuss, so would someone on CDLC who is
>>>>> and
>>>>> > feels my words should be forwarded to that list, please do so.]
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks Jamie!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I see two people from MA who signed up as supporting such a
>>>>> run. We
>>>>> > should contact the folks behind this effort to get their names
>>>>> and see
>>>>> > if they want to be the MA Nader contacts and keep them in the
>>>>> loop
>>>>> > about our presidential process.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > That especially goes for all of the other GP pres. candidates as
>>>>> well.
>>>>> > Best to get them hooked in and id contacts so we can help the GP
>>>>> > candidates when they come through. I don't think party resources
>>>>> > should be used to further their campaigns, but we should be
>>>>> helping
>>>>> > the activists of all GP candidates so that both the campaigns
>>>>> and the
>>>>> > party are successful.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > A key thing, once we clean up the list, is what we want to do
>>>>> with the
>>>>> > party db's. We need to think about what we want to provide to
>>>>> > candidates and at what cost and with what requirements.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Jamie
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 3/16/07, jamie mclaughlin <experimental_radio at hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> only a messenger here folks,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> peace,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> jamm
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> --
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Message: 1
>>>>> >> >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:39:05 -0400
>>>>> >> >From: Lou Novak <lmn at lppals.com>
>>>>> >> >Subject: [usgp-dx] [Fwd: Draft Nader.org is UP AND RUNNING!
>>>>> >> (Hopefully
>>>>> >> > Ralph will be too!)]
>>>>> >> >To: GPUS-NC <Natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org>,
>>>>> >> > "migreens at yahoogroups.com" <migreens at yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> >> >Message-ID: <45F76E59.60308 at lppals.com>
>>>>> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Everyone,
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >The GREENS FOR NADER 2008 site has officially launched and is
>>>>> >> hosting a
>>>>> >> >petition to call for consumer advocate and past Green
>>>>> candidate for
>>>>> >> >President to seek our nomination in 2008!
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Please go to the site: http://www.draftnader.org and sign the
>>>>> >> petition!
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >There's no one more qualified, no one more knowledgeable and
>>>>> >> articulate who
>>>>> >> >can generate the press to run the biggest Green Party
>>>>> >> presidential race in
>>>>> >> >2008 to challenge the corporate Democratic and Republican
>>>>> Parties!
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Regards,
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Mike Gillis
>>>>> >> >Green Party of Washington State
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >--
>>>>> >> >Lou Novak - lmn at lppals.com - 313-623-4709
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >It is the duty of every citizen according to his best
>>>>> capacities
>>>>> >> >to give validity to his convictions in political affairs.
>>>>> >> > Albert Einstein, 'Treasury for the Free World,' 1946
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.green-rainbow.org/mailman/listinfo/candidate->>>>> development
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> John V. Walsh, MD
>>>>> Professor of Physiology
>>>>> University of Massachusetts Medical School
>>>>> 55 Lake Avenue, N.
>>>>> Worcester, MA, 01655-0127
>>>>> Phone (work): 508-856-3360
>>>>> Phone (cell): 508-868-1653
>>>>> email: john.walsh at umassmed.edu
>>>>>
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>>> John V. Walsh, MD
>>> Professor of Physiology
>>> University of Massachusetts Medical School
>>> 55 Lake Avenue, N.
>>> Worcester, MA, 01655-0127
>>> Phone (work): 508-856-3360
>>> Phone (cell): 508-868-1653
>>> email: john.walsh at umassmed.edu
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>>
>>
>
> John V. Walsh, MD
> Professor of Physiology
> University of Massachusetts Medical School
> 55 Lake Avenue, N.
> Worcester, MA, 01655-0127
> Phone (work): 508-856-3360
> Phone (cell): 508-868-1653
> email: john.walsh at umassmed.edu
>
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