[statecom-discuss] [candidate-development] CDLC Telecon meeting

Tue Apr 8 15:44:55 EDT 2008

Hi, I know everyone is frustrated and stretched thin -

While I don't recommend the accusatory tone some of Mike's or Gary's emails 
have taken - I think they are both saying tht they volunteered and agreed to 
help with these processes.   I think they are not complaining about work getting 
done. I think they are complaining that because they have not been contacted 
and conversations have not been taking place on our public listservs, they 
have been thwarted in their commitment to help in these processes.

I totally understand people feeling over-stretched.   the problem is that if 
people are over-stretched but don't prioritize engaging those who have agreed 
to help - there is no way for those who have gone a record as ready to help, 
to give that help.   they don't even know that someone is trying to implement 
the projects they agreed to help with.

Please, everyone, post the result of initial conversations and even baby 
steps so that others who are prepared to help know you are out there trying to 
move things along.   then we can help...

Thanks, grace
In a message dated 4/8/08 2:56:01 PM, jandrews166 at gmail.com writes:

> Mike,
> 
> Over the past few months I have noted that you have ceaselessly harassed
> anyone who dares to actually do work for our Party.  You demand that they
> report their actions fully to you, respond to your ideas for how they should
> behave, obey your interpretations of process and rules,  and redo their work
> to please  you.  If they do not, you demand that they tell you how they
> intend to satisfy you.  At times you have been responsible for almost half
> the email load on our listserves.  Imagine what it would be like if all our
> two dozen StateComm members behaved like this.  Several persons subjected to
> this harassment have dropped out of our discussion lists or have threatened
> to resign from the Party.  Many valuable hours have been consumed trying to
> respond to criticisms, emails, and negative postings. This is not
> contributing to the health of our party.
> 
> Many of the disputes involve legalistic arguments involving process or
> interpretation of by-laws.  While I appreciate the need to try as best we
> can to adhere to published process and bylaws,  I think what has been
> happening is that recently these provisions have been used inappropriately
> to further personal ambitions, settle grudges, and advance partisan
> objectives.  I think this has to wind down.   We are in the process of
> building a stronger and more effective party.  People are actually doing
> work between committee meetings.  That is wonderful.  We need that.  We need
> to shake off the old habit of having people show up for a meeting without
> having done any work, give directions to the few workers present, and then
> disappear for a month.
> 
> We are all stretched thin.  Often things are done late or at the last
> minute.  That's probably not going to change anytime soon.  But we are on
> the verge of getting some really exciting things going.  We've got much
> better things to do than argue with each other over who best followed some
> vision of the process.
> 
> Please think about how your actions are going to help or hurt the Party.
> For my part, I think the process debates are hurting the Party, and I don't
> want to spend our precious meeting time embroiled in such arguments.
> 
> - John
> 
> P.S.
> 
> Regarding your repetition of Gary's complaint that he is "co-chair" of the
> Advisory Ballot Working Group, be aware that the minutes of the CDLC state
> that " As a result of a proposal passed at the last StateComm meeting, the
> CDLC is asked to appoint a representative to a working group focused on
> advisory questions placed on district ballots.  Jill Stein and Gary Hicks
> volunteered to serve on this group.  "  Thus Gary and Jill are jointly CDLC
> reps to the Advisory Ballot Working Group.  This group will presumably elect
> its own chairs, if that is how they want to organize.  The Platform
> Committee is convening this group. Everything done up to now has been
> informal and exploratory.  But it has been important in getting things
> rolling.
> 
> -------------------
> 
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Mike Heichman <mikeheichman at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > Thanks for calling the meeting.
> >
> > I certainly can understand that you and Jill have been very busy.
> >
> > However, both of you should have seen this coming (I kept on sending out
> > requests.) and this is not adequate notice.
> >
> > I will be present at tomorrow night's conference.
> >
> > I have a request. I would like for us to vet the PROCESS (not the
> > content) of those proposals which are connected to the work of the ABWG.
> > CDLC was supposed to be involved with the ABWG and it seems like we were
> > shut out of the process.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Heichman
> >
> >
> > DvEngland at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >Hi all,
> > >
> > >I realize it's been awhile since CDLC has met.  Jill and I have both
> >  been
> > >straight out on other things, both GRP-wise and business.  But we do
> >  need to
> > >meet and your time would be most valuable right now.
> > >
> > >This is short notice, but would you please try to call in on the telecon
> > >conference tomorrow (Tuesday) at 9:00.  Info is below.
> > >
> > >Our agenda is two items:
> > >
> > >Approval of a revised delegate selection recommendation to
> >  AdCom/StateCom.
> > >We have a subcommittee meeting Monday night to redraft the  memo and will
> > try
> > >to circulate it by midnight.
> > >
> > >Vetting of some of the proposals being considered by StateCom this
> >  weekend.
> > >Only four pertain to CDLC and we will focus on those.  They  are listed
> > >below.  In a separate email, I'll send all the proposals along  to you
> > shortly.
> > >
> > >Thanks for your patience and willingness to respond on short notice.
> > >Hopefully, once tax season is over, I will be able to resurface and give
> > CDLC  more
> > >of the leadership it deserves.
> > >
> > >Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >CONFERENCE CALL-IN INFORMATION:
> > >
> > >CDLC Telecon
> > >Tuesday,  April 08, 2008
> > >Start Time:     9:00 PM  Eastern Daylight Time
> > >End Time:     10:25  PM Eastern Daylight Time
> > >Dial-in Number:  1-605-475-4150  (Midwest)
> > >Participant Access Code      55828
> > >
> > >Two main agenda items:  1) the CDLC report to State  Committee on
> > delegate
> > >selection, and 2) Vetting of proposals for StateComm  4/12 meeting.
> > >
> > >The following is the list of the submitted  proposals.  The attached file
> > has
> > >the complete text for each proposal, as  posted on the GRP website.  The
> > four
> > >proposals with "CDLC" written after  the title are the ones on our agenda
> > for
> > >vetting by  CDLC.
> > >
> > >
> > >ID    TITLE     VETTING
> > >2008.01    Ballot Question on Predatory  Lending
> > >2008.02    Getting SPWG Moving  Again
> > >2008.03    Advisory Ballot Question  on the Global Warming Crisis
> > >2008.04     Code Green Imperatives for Addressing GW Emergency
> > >2008.05    Ensuring Fair Decision-making     CDLC
> > >2008.06    Free Choice for National Convention  Delegates    CDLC
> > >2008.07    Expedited  Discussion Rules
> > >2008.08     Implementation of our Delegate Selection Plan     CDLC
> > >2008.09    Campaign Financing Standards for GRP  Endorsement    CDLC
> > >2008.10    Adcom Size  Change
> > >2008.11    Exploring  Feminism
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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