[statecom-discuss] [candidate-development] Fwd: calling lists?GRP communications?

Fri Feb 1 15:04:39 EST 2008

Betts- clarificatino:
Statecom made no decision about candidate eligibility this passed meeting- a 
go-round of people's viewpoints was had and that was all.
Adcom was never asked to make a decision on candidates' eligibility.
Statecom made policy decisions January of 2007
State Convention made a policy decision August of 2007
Statecom's November meeting tried to figure out how to handle the much 
speeded up deadline for submitting candidates' names given our previous decisions 
about needing certain information in writing before names we submitted by the 
co-chairs to the state

Other work has been done as Merelice reports.
- Grace
In a message dated 2/1/08 11:37:49 AM, zisk at bu.edu writes:

> Merilice--I take heart from your message and your positive thoughts. And
> indeed I do sense a positive change in the tone of the last two meetings (I
> wade through the minutes and the reactions to those mtgs.) Perhaps I should
> just heed the advice of my close friend and mentor of yore, John
> Rensenbrink, who insisted that we were in it for the long haul. I wld like
> to return to my previous activism at Statecom. Unfortunately that isnt
> possible right now. Going to places like Worchester and Fitchburg for a six
> hour meeting just wear me out. I am so happy that a younger generation of
> GRP has that energy and I pray that they will continue the work. And I
> continue to hope that with enough pulmonary exercise done faithfully that I
> will be able once again to take part in those meetings: I have high hopes. I
> am a lot better. But not enough for my former pace.
> 
> I was only trying to provoke a discussion about the sad state (as I see it)
> of GRP in MA. And to make a plea to Mike and John and others to LET GO of
> their divisive issues. To accept the judgement of the statecom and adcom on
> some major pts about candidate eligibility even if they dont agree. I have
> received an e mail from Mike that says basically that he intends to go on
> with his witness to Nader's lack of eligibility. That is the only response
> so far. Sobeit. The rest of you are horribly busy until superTuesday. I
> continue to love and respect you--and to support you insofar as I can
> without holding any office in the GRP. Betts Zisk
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: statecom-discuss-bounces at green-rainbow.org
> [mailto:statecom-discuss-bounces at green-rainbow.org]On Behalf Of Merelice
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:21 AM
> To: candidate development; Green-Rainbow Party (GRP) Administrative
> Committee; Discussion List for StateCom members
> Subject: Re: [statecom-discuss] [candidate-development] Fwd: calling
> lists?GRP communications?
> 
> 
> Betts,
> 
> In light of what you have witnessed in emails, I'm not surprised you
> are disaffected.
> 
> But if you had been able to attend the last two StateCom meetings, I
> think you would be greatly reassured. Both meetings had
> well-above-quorum attendance (up to 25). Both meetings welcomed new
> members from parts of the state that haven't been represented. Both
> meetings by and large exhibited respectful behavior and listening. And
> most important, both meetings passed proposals of real substance and
> exciting possibilities. If/When you receive your newsletter, you will
> read about some of the actions taken.
> 
> So take heart, dear heart. This, too, will pass.
> 
> Merelice
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/31/08, Betty H. Zisk <zisk at bu.edu> wrote:
> > I am asking Merelice to post this statement since I dont think I have
> >  posting rights on statecom list. I will try very hard to be brief. I have
> >  been one of the members of long standing (since 1986)who is no longer on
> >  Statecom but who has followed the debates and minutes and reports
> intensely.
> >  I am still a registered Green and intend to vote on Tues. But I am deeply
> >  ASHAMED of my party. My party with whom I fell in love before it even
> gained
> >  party status. And I fear I transmit this shame to my students just by
> >  avoiding all discussion of GRP. Not last semester when I mentioned the
> fact
> >  that I was a GRP member and was proud of our local candidates and urged
> them
> >  to be active. But this semester when I receive an extraordinary number of
> >  calls from students who have journalism assignments about the election (I
> >  think I have received over 20 calls from not just my students but from
> other
> >  colleges--I guess due to my  BU web site which lists parties). I have
> >  avoided any mention of late of GRP or Greens US or third parties. Yes
> this
> >  would be an ideal time to mention GRP. Why dont I do it? Ask yourselves
> this
> >  question: why should ANYONE vote Green -Rainbow except for hopes of
> change
> >  in the long haul? And then ask yourself if voting GRP is really a hope
> for
> >  change. Really--being honest.
> >
> >  I am not formally leaving or resigning. But I will probably vote for
> Obama
> >  if nominated.  Why? Because at least in Mass this is a party of
> confusion,
> >  of dissent, of disarray. We never spoke with one voice (and indeed we
> >  welcomed dissent) but we were never so disrespectful and dogged in our
> >  opinions, at least in my experience as we are at present. I cite just two
> >  examples: Mike H. who simply cant let go of the legalties of Nader on the
> >  ballot, and John who simply cant let go of anything,and who has a
> >  conspritorial view of our own process. My personal views of who is right
> or
> >  wrong on Nader issue isnt the pt. My pt is that I am ashamed of this
> debate.
> >  It has descended into levels that remind me of the ideological debate in
> the
> >  late 1980s between the Bookchin and Spretnak wings of the movement: that
> >  particular debate led to the split in the Greens that continued for some
> >  years with disastrous effects. I continue to have a dim faith. I care.
> But I
> >  am massively disaffected. Betts Zisk
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >  From: candidate-development-bounces at green-rainbow.org
> >  [mailto:candidate-development-bounces at green-rainbow.org]On Behalf
> >  Merelice
> >  Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:25 PM
> >  To: candidate development
> >  Cc: Green-Rainbow Party (GRP) Administrative Committee
> >  Subject: Re: [candidate-development] Fwd: calling lists? GRP
> >  communications?
> >
> >
> >  Please note: I have deleted the two names that John added since this
> >  response relates to how the party functions and not to any candidate.
> >  Meanwhile, I request that people not escalate an already sensitive
> >  situation. Let's prove we can take care of the world by taking care of
> >  each other.
> >  Merelice
> >
> >  On 1/31/08, Jamie O'Keefe <jokeefe at jamesokeefe.org> wrote:
> >
> >  > On Jan 31, 2008 1:09 PM, John Walsh <john.walsh at umassmed.edu> wrote:
> >  >  > So I thought.  Is this kind of hesitation what is holding up the
> >  >  > distribution of the lists?
> >  >
> >  > Well it would help if the request got to the right person, either Dan
> >  >  or I.  I did mention that the lists are available and what was
> >  >  required at Sunday's state com. meeting which you were at.
> >
> >  It is unrealistic to expect people to know or remember how to request
> >  our lists, even when mentioned in passing at a meeting. I find it
> >  particularly disturbing to hear that phone calls and emails to the GRP
> >  number and address did not get a response from us and/or did not get
> >  referred to the appropriate individuals. Such people should get an
> >  apology.
> >
> >  This may be another symptom that too few people are trying to do too
> >  much. But responding promptly to those trying to contact the party
> >  should get top priority. Otherwise, all the outreach efforts in the
> >  world won't succeed in building the party.
> >
> >  How can we correct this oversight?
> >
> >  Merelice
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