[statecom-discuss] policy making and recusing oneself

[kenny selcer]

Mike, I think that a reason that others haven't spoken up is you're 
style. Every fiber in your being seems to wants to be right and you 
won't let go. It's personal with you. It's painful for you - your quote. 
You're dominating the rap as they used to say. It's not about censoring 
yourself. It's about getting a grip on yourself and stop putting your 
strident energy on us and this list. We're all losing. What do we do 
with all this? Step back and take a deep breathe or two, look at what is 
really happening, put things in perspective, look whom you're talking to 
and get to real work. Haven't you ever had any pain in your life? Real 
pain, like deaths of loved ones, or illness or giving a kidney to a 
dying Mother? Give me a break. I'm not being sucked in by your lines.

This is the last I'll respond to this stuff. I have more important 
things to do.

Dan M. Take me off this list or tell me how.

Kenny



ikeheichman at verizon.net wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> I wish that more members of the State Committee would speak up. 
>
> I believe that we are having a very difficult discussion, but a very
> important one.
>
> This issue has been very painful for me and I expect that this is true for
> many others.
>
> What do we do with alll of this? What would happen if we would just "stop
> it already"? Would it be positive if we 
> would censor ourselves instead of doing the best that we can to address
> important issues?
>
> Mike Heichman
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: kenny selcer kselcer at tiac.net
> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:17:53 -0500
> To: statecom-discuss at green-rainbow.org
> Subject: Re: [statecom-discuss] policy making and recusing oneself
>
>
>    Hello, Will you all stop it already? You're embarrassing yourselves,
>    wasting your breath and energy, embarrassing the party, imposing
>    yourselves in our email space and boxes and psyche.  Who the hell do
>    you think is reading your stuff at this point? Take it off line if you
>    want to fight. And Dan Melnechuk, if this continues, please take me off
>    of this discussion list or tell me how.
>    You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Everything is falling apart
>    around us and your acting like primates and not the human variety.
>    You're not fighting for the soul of the party, but the ass of the
>    party....
>    disrespectfully(if you want respect, then give it) yours. Ken Selcer
>    Merelice wrote:
>
> On 2/4/08, Mike Heichman [1]<mikeheichman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Members of CDLC and State Comm.
>
>
> .... Once again, Merelice confuses her
>
>  opinion with the necessity for the proper organs of the party to set
> policy.
>
> The current policy of the party is to apportion delegates according to
> the votes that candidates receive in the primary. I did not set that
> policy, and I am not just expressing my opinion when I refer to it.
> Further, it appeared at StateCom (without having time to make it an
> official vote) that most statecom members would like to see the
> current policy applied to this year's candidates on our ballot. Unless
> there is wave of support for changing the current policy, it can stand
> and function as is.
>
>
>  Merelice-please identify the policy which instructs Grace to recuse
>  herself. If there is no policy, stop using your position as co-chair to
>  censure Grace--you don't have the authority from our party to make policy.
>
> Recusing oneself from participating in actions that could clearly work
> to the benefit of one's interest is basic ethics. It is shocking to
> call that "censure" in the absence of a formal policy. It's a matter
> of trust and transparency. To argue that commonly accepted ethical
> behavior is not consistent with our decision-making process or
> requires some official policy is to put the Party and its committee
> operations on morally shaky grounds and subject the GRP to legitimate
> accusations by potentially offended parties.
>
> Merelice
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