[statecom] [statecom-discuss] Hello from Chicago!

Fri Jul 11 14:51:44 EDT 2008

a "flawed process" is having members and officers of State Committee  
walk out when a vote does not go the way " they" desire.

Quorum was met. Consensus was reached.

Am I correct in stating that revisions may be made at the next State  
Committee meeting and Annual Convention?

On Jul 11, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Jim Hammerman wrote:

> Hi Merelice,
> I find it somewhat puzzling, too. My understanding as well was that  
> the
> proposal that Mike and I had put forward would resolve this  
> situation. At
> first I was relieved to hear that it had passed at that June 29  
> meeting,
> and thanked Nat for co-sponsoring it so that we wouldn't have to  
> raise it
> in the virtual meeting. Still, because the unprecedented refusal to  
> seat 6
> fully qualified candidates for StateCom had meant that I and several
> others felt compelled to leave that June 29 meeting, we weren't  
> there to
> be part of the discussions; discussions which might have brought  
> the full
> implications of my proposal to light in the process of reaching  
> consensus
> on it. Thus, the "compromise" you describe was one being offered and
> accepted by one "side" without consultation with the other--a flawed
> process.
>
> When I was able to think through the contradictions inherent in people
> being named for candidates well after their public statements made  
> clear
> they were no longer candidates, then being sort of released from their
> obligation to vote for said "ex-candidates" because of those same
> statements made months earlier ("sort of" because even yesterday  
> Wanda was
> asking for people to fill Nader-No preference and Brown-No preference
> spots), I decided that my passed proposal actually didn't provide the
> solution to our joint problem. I now wonder whether the clear  
> instructions
> I offered delegates in my proposal violate the oft-quoted state law  
> about
> requiring _named delegates_ to vote for that person on the first  
> roll call
> ballot. If they were no longer named for Brown, Ball, and Nader,  
> then we
> would be fine, but they are so-named, as noted above. It is this  
> concern,
> unknown to me at the time of putting forth the proposal, that we  
> raise in
> the objection.
>
> -Jim
>
>
>
>
> Merelice <merelice at gmail.com>
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> 07/11/08 01:53 PM
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> Greetings,
>
> As I skim the 14-page challenge, I find it puzzling that by having
> StateCom pass the proposal that was sponsored by Jim Hammerman and
> Mike Heichman (to change the delegate selection plan, thereby making
> it legal to release delegates so they would not have to vote for
> candidates who have withdrawn from the race), that effort to reach a
> compromise is now being used by the same individuals against the party
> as being illegal. Seems we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
> All efforts to compromise have been one-sided while the other side has
> not budged an inch. And they accuse those making the compromises as
> being unwilling to seek consensus.
>
> Merelice
>
>
> On 7/11/08, Jim Hammerman <jim_hammerman at terc.edu> wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>  Thanks for the update and the good news about CSpan's coverage and
> about
>>  Jill's speech.
>>
>>  Your report on the challenge to delegates has some different
> information
>>  than we were told.
>>
>>  1) We were told that the credentials committee _wouldn't_ select one
> slate
>>  or another, but would have to receive challenges and objections  
>> against
>>  individual delegates.
>>
>>  2) At the same time, we have not created a list of individuals to be
>>  removed, but categories of delegates who were not seated  
>> correctly for
>>  different reasons. We don't intend to personalize the objections,  
>> just
> to
>>  make the case for problems in the allocation and assignment of
> delegates
>>  which need to be addressed. Depending on which, if any, of the
> arguments
>>  we make are deemed valid, there are implications for different  
>> people.
> I'm
>>  attaching a .pdf version of that 14 page document you refer to (just
>>  completed yesterday) so others can read it.
>>
>>  3) The existence of alternative allocations and delegate  
>> apportionment
>>  plans have been discussed throughout our long process but have  
>> not been
>>  formally taken up. And despite your cheery description of the  
>> process
> used
>>  to approve the list sent by the party officers, there remain
> substantial
>>  problems with the process, some of which are documented in the
> objection.
>>
>>  Finallly, people should know that Mike Heichman also signed onto the
>>  alternate delegation and challenge.
>>
>>
>>  -Jim
>>
>>
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