[statecom] I will not go there, why doesn't everyone else stop too... Re: Facilitation to build trust
Lawrence Fine
lorenzonine at earthlink.net
Fri Jun 27 22:12:00 EDT 2008
Having spent the brunt of my involvement in this party as a fly on
the wall, and having made observations and formed opinions,
I've chosen to continue jumping into the fray and shall insert a few
comments. Just playin' here ;-] as this is serious "discustion" and
probably shouldn't be on the business list.
And, I'm biased as I've chosen to become a player in the "us and
them" game.
Ahh - - the players have such cultivated skills and well honed
tongues - - - if only they didn't take all this business so seriously.
Are we all victims of attachment to opinions and interpretations?
What is the cost of being right?
What is that expression about two lawyers interpretations ?
It's time to let fly - - - - - - - - -
On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:24 PM, Gracegrnrnbw at aol.com wrote:
> John - I will now say what I have said to others...
>
> Baseless accusations
yet a largely shared opinion that there is a saboteur in our midst.
> and nastiness helps no one - you don't have to like me
> but yours and others rude and personal attacks are not part of a
> process that
> seeks to work together. It is not part of building public respect
> for our
> party. It does not move us closer to our ten Key Values or
> towards building
> hte broad and powerful movement we wil need to accomplish any of
> our goals.
>
Skilled at spinning emotionally loaded allegory
> I won't climb into the mud with you - I am publically asking you
> not only to
> stop slinging it but to get out of the mud - reach for the power of
> love as
> Mel teaches - just like I asked other candidates when I ran for
> Governor.
and steeped in self-righteousness - - - where' the candor?
>
> It is from reaching for love and an unflinching commitment to
> leaving no one
> behind that we may succeed in turning global warming and the
> foreclosure
> crisis.
>
> I invite you to meet me there -
got a map? maybe driving directions? We're waiting! ( not that I'm
"there" yet. )
>
> Grace
> In a message dated 6/27/08 3:47:15 PM, jandrews166 at gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> The disingenuous nature of the note below is probably clear to most
>> members
>> of State Committee.
Some of the following is conjecture. Many of us share some of these
opinions.
Strongly worded opinion, but clear as a bell - - - where's the mud?
>>
>> Given her repeated attempts to undermine our convention and our Party
>> committees, and to facilitate attacks from outside the Green-
>> Rainbow Party,
>> I do not think that Grace Ross should be allowed to appoint
>> herself to any
>> effort to define solutions for State Committee. If we are
>> going to make
>> progress we must first get some honest answers from Grace about
>> the dirty
>> tricks she has played during the presidential campaign and about her
>> organizing against State Committee. We don't need more emails.
>> We need
>> face-to-face questions and answers, and a little honesty.
just a little?
>>
>> In terms of allowing Grace's recruits to take seats on State
>> committee, I
>> feel it is important to have a conclusive investigation to
>> determine whether
>> this is or is not part of an organized attempt to engineer a partisan
>> takeover of State Committee in order to win more delegates for a
>> particular
>> candidate. To protect State Committee from such efforts, I would
>> urge us
>> not to seat any new State Committee members until after the national
>> convention is over (which would mean the meeting after next). If
>> we do, I
>> am sure that the online meeting which Jamie O'Keefe has said he
>> intends to
>> continue after July 29, will be the venue for further mischief.
Has someone seized the power and become " the decider " about how
long this virtual meeting will go on?
>>
>> After the national convention, each prospective new State
>> Committee member
>> should present themselves to State Committee individually, in
>> person, to say
>> why they want to serve on State Committee and to answer any
>> questions that
>> State Committee wishes to ask them. I think that all current
>> members of
>> State Committee have done this.
>>
>> I apologize for adding to the volume of emails that we must wade
>> through.
>>
>> - John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:44 PM, <gracegrnrnbw at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to thank Wanda for a wonderful call last night - she gave
>>> an hour
>>> and a half and probably would have tlaked longer if I had not been
>> literally
>>> falling asleep...
>>>
>>> Wanda is right that when conflict levels get high enough in an
>>> organization, yo have to start by going back to your agreements,
>>> following
>>> them and working out from there - everything I have ever learned
>>> about
>>> organizational development backs her up!
>>>
>>> She has put a significant amount of work into looking up old
>>> records to
>> try
>>> to get us back on track - and I thank her for that time commitment.
>>>
>>> And I agree with her that using our email decision balloting form
>>> is not
>>> helping us - because it was designed to be used to check
>>> consensus after
>>> discussion AND assumes that even if you have a significant
>>> concern that
>> you
>>> will still follow through the consensus process to seek
>>> resolution so your
>>> concer is addressed or you will be willing to stand aside.
>>>
>>> Given the level of distrust, I think the "concerns, won't stand
>>> aside" has
>>> contributed to an atmosphere of entrenchment.?
>>>
>>> I have found myself needing to re-write it each time to make
>>> clear I am
>>> still open to learning and changing my position.
>>>
>>> Wanda went back to the standing rules and has reviewed where we have
>> gotten
>>> to at this point.
>>>
>>> I am sorry I was passing out from exhaustion - the place of
>>> difference we
>>> got to was that Wanda wants the credentialing to be more publicly
>>> accountable.
>>>
>>> I would hope that perhaps a credentialing report might meet that
>>> - how
>> each
>>> person's status was verified - rather than felling like we need
>>> to somehow
>>> all be able to pour over Dan's shoulder.? And that in the
>>> interests of
>> trust
>>> building we not suddenly need to physically verify something we have
>> mostly
>>> simply trusted in the past.
>>>
>>> Wanda is also right that trying to seat statecom nominees as a
>>> slate was a
>>> big mistake.? It is part of the standing rules, and has to be
>>> accomplished
>>> first so we clarify who has decision-making powers each meeting.?
>>> But in
>> the
>>> past we have usually had a sentence about each person nominated and
>> trusted
>>> the nominators and have seated every nominee..
>>>
>>> Wanda researched the last meeting where we seated a number of
>>> nominees - 9
>>> when we only had 17 sitting statecom members (also a big
>>> percentage) - it
>>> was at the Hitchcock center .? And some of those stepped down in
>>> days
>>> following the meeting - so there is no way, I think, to ensure
>> participation
>>> as Nat (and the rest of us, I imagine) wish.
>>>
>>> The slate idea was unfortunately proposed and passed by concensus
>>> at the
>>> adcom meeting.? It should have been a heads up when the first
>>> adcom member
>>> found themselves expressing concerns - it was not a matter of
>>> dropping to
>> a
>>> vote to resolve it.
>>>
>>> Wanda feels it requires skipping over credentialling until we are
>>> face-to-face.? I think we need to follow our standing rules for
>>> this like
>>> any other meeting.? We need to seat people either one by one or
>>> some other
>>> way since we always have.
>>>
>>> We have not even gotten to seating Wanda and Jamie C.
>>>
>>> So I want to thank Wanda for hanging in on the absolutely
>>> critical piece
>> of
>>> bridge building - her love and commitment are clear - and I hope
>>> are a
>> model
>>> in calling and working together instead of avoiding resolution by
>>> avoiding
>>> connecting with each other.
>>>
>>> Wanda and I will hopefully finish figuring this out.? I will put
>>> forward
>>> another seating proposal so she and Jamie as well as others
>>> willing to
>> serve
>>> can participate fully!
>>>
>>> Yours, Grace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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