[statecom] I will not go there, why doesn't everyone else stop too... Re: Facilitation to build trust
Lawrence Fine
lorenzonine at earthlink.net
Sat Jun 28 09:37:56 EDT 2008
On Jun 27, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Gracegrnrnbw at aol.com wrote:
> Lawrence -
>
> So you too cannot be respectful
when I feel respect is earned, yes I can.
> - no one is perfect but maybe we could all
> agree to try to live our lives as if we were at least trying to be
> loving,
> respectful, and work together...
"trying" never leads to accomplishment but becomes the act of
constantly attempting - - - "trying" is the loop that never gets there.
Intending is a word that works mo bettah fo me - - - Are there others
that get closer to the mark?
>
> If not, maybe you could hold your misinterpretations -
I am being accused of " misinterpreting " ? another word that doesn't
work as an interpretation is not missed, but made.
I could be wrong, but - - - that's just another opinion.
Another thing - - - the line I'm responding to asserts that I'm not
being truthful and politely ( passiv agressive ? ) tells me to shut
up and sit down.
>
> Don't re-interpret my words - I chose them honestly - Grace
melee / pax - - - - what does it take?
lux sit
> In a message dated 6/27/08 10:12:24 PM, lorenzonine at earthlink.net
> writes:
>
>
>> Having spent the brunt of my involvement in this party as a fly on
>> the wall, and having made observations and formed opinions,
>> I've chosen to continue jumping into the fray and shall insert a few
>> comments. Just playin' here ;-] as this is serious "discustion" and
>> probably shouldn't be on the business list.
>> And, I'm biased as I've chosen to become a player in the "us and
>> them" game.
>>
>> Ahh - - the players have such cultivated skills and well honed
>> tongues - - - if only they didn't take all this business so
>> seriously.
>>
>> Are we all victims of attachment to opinions and interpretations?
>> What is the cost of being right?
>>
>> What is that expression about two lawyers interpretations ?
>>
>> It's time to let fly - - - - - - - - -
>>
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:24 PM, Gracegrnrnbw at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> John - I will now say what I have said to others...
>>>
>>> Baseless accusations
>>
>> yet a largely shared opinion that there is a saboteur in our midst.
>>
>>> and nastiness helps no one - you don't have to like me
>>> but yours and others rude and personal attacks are not part of a
>>> process that
>>> seeks to work together. It is not part of building public respect
>>> for our
>>> party. It does not move us closer to our ten Key Values or
>>> towards building
>>> hte broad and powerful movement we wil need to accomplish any of
>>> our goals.
>>>
>>
>> Skilled at spinning emotionally loaded allegory
>>
>>
>>> I won't climb into the mud with you - I am publically asking you
>>> not only to
>>> stop slinging it but to get out of the mud - reach for the power of
>>> love as
>>> Mel teaches - just like I asked other candidates when I ran for
>>> Governor.
>>
>> and steeped in self-righteousness - - - where' the candor?
>>
>>>
>>> It is from reaching for love and an unflinching commitment to
>>> leaving no one
>>> behind that we may succeed in turning global warming and the
>>> foreclosure
>>> crisis.
>>>
>>> I invite you to meet me there -
>>
>> got a map? maybe driving directions? We're waiting! ( not that I'm
>> "there" yet. )
>>
>>>
>>> Grace
>>> In a message dated 6/27/08 3:47:15 PM, jandrews166 at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The disingenuous nature of the note below is probably clear to
>>>> most
>>>> members
>>>> of State Committee.
>>
>> Some of the following is conjecture. Many of us share some of these
>> opinions.
>> Strongly worded opinion, but clear as a bell - - - where's the mud?
>>
>>>>
>>>> Given her repeated attempts to undermine our convention and our
>>>> Party
>>>> committees, and to facilitate attacks from outside the Green-
>>>> Rainbow Party,
>>>> I do not think that Grace Ross should be allowed to appoint
>>>> herself to any
>>>> effort to define solutions for State Committee. If we are
>>>> going to make
>>>> progress we must first get some honest answers from Grace about
>>>> the dirty
>>>> tricks she has played during the presidential campaign and about
>>>> her
>>>> organizing against State Committee. We don't need more emails.
>>>> We need
>>>> face-to-face questions and answers, and a little honesty.
>>
>> just a little?
>>
>>>>
>>>> In terms of allowing Grace's recruits to take seats on State
>>>> committee, I
>>>> feel it is important to have a conclusive investigation to
>>>> determine whether
>>>> this is or is not part of an organized attempt to engineer a
>>>> partisan
>>>> takeover of State Committee in order to win more delegates for a
>>>> particular
>>>> candidate. To protect State Committee from such efforts, I would
>>>> urge us
>>>> not to seat any new State Committee members until after the
>>>> national
>>>> convention is over (which would mean the meeting after next). If
>>>> we do, I
>>>> am sure that the online meeting which Jamie O'Keefe has said he
>>>> intends to
>>>> continue after July 29, will be the venue for further mischief.
>>
>> Has someone seized the power and become " the decider " about how
>> long this virtual meeting will go on?
>>
>>>>
>>>> After the national convention, each prospective new State
>>>> Committee member
>>>> should present themselves to State Committee individually, in
>>>> person, to say
>>>> why they want to serve on State Committee and to answer any
>>>> questions that
>>>> State Committee wishes to ask them. I think that all current
>>>> members of
>>>> State Committee have done this.
>>>>
>>>> I apologize for adding to the volume of emails that we must wade
>>>> through.
>>>>
>>>> - John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:44 PM, <gracegrnrnbw at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I want to thank Wanda for a wonderful call last night - she gave
>>>>> an hour
>>>>> and a half and probably would have tlaked longer if I had not been
>>>> literally
>>>>> falling asleep...
>>>>>
>>>>> Wanda is right that when conflict levels get high enough in an
>>>>> organization, yo have to start by going back to your agreements,
>>>>> following
>>>>> them and working out from there - everything I have ever learned
>>>>> about
>>>>> organizational development backs her up!
>>>>>
>>>>> She has put a significant amount of work into looking up old
>>>>> records to
>>>> try
>>>>> to get us back on track - and I thank her for that time
>>>>> commitment.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I agree with her that using our email decision balloting form
>>>>> is not
>>>>> helping us - because it was designed to be used to check
>>>>> consensus after
>>>>> discussion AND assumes that even if you have a significant
>>>>> concern that
>>>> you
>>>>> will still follow through the consensus process to seek
>>>>> resolution so your
>>>>> concer is addressed or you will be willing to stand aside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the level of distrust, I think the "concerns, won't stand
>>>>> aside" has
>>>>> contributed to an atmosphere of entrenchment.?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have found myself needing to re-write it each time to make
>>>>> clear I am
>>>>> still open to learning and changing my position.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wanda went back to the standing rules and has reviewed where we
>>>>> have
>>>> gotten
>>>>> to at this point.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry I was passing out from exhaustion - the place of
>>>>> difference we
>>>>> got to was that Wanda wants the credentialing to be more publicly
>>>>> accountable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would hope that perhaps a credentialing report might meet that
>>>>> - how
>>>> each
>>>>> person's status was verified - rather than felling like we need
>>>>> to somehow
>>>>> all be able to pour over Dan's shoulder.? And that in the
>>>>> interests of
>>>> trust
>>>>> building we not suddenly need to physically verify something we
>>>>> have
>>>> mostly
>>>>> simply trusted in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wanda is also right that trying to seat statecom nominees as a
>>>>> slate was a
>>>>> big mistake.? It is part of the standing rules, and has to be
>>>>> accomplished
>>>>> first so we clarify who has decision-making powers each meeting.?
>>>>> But in
>>>> the
>>>>> past we have usually had a sentence about each person nominated
>>>>> and
>>>> trusted
>>>>> the nominators and have seated every nominee..
>>>>>
>>>>> Wanda researched the last meeting where we seated a number of
>>>>> nominees - 9
>>>>> when we only had 17 sitting statecom members (also a big
>>>>> percentage) - it
>>>>> was at the Hitchcock center .? And some of those stepped down in
>>>>> days
>>>>> following the meeting - so there is no way, I think, to ensure
>>>> participation
>>>>> as Nat (and the rest of us, I imagine) wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> The slate idea was unfortunately proposed and passed by concensus
>>>>> at the
>>>>> adcom meeting.? It should have been a heads up when the first
>>>>> adcom member
>>>>> found themselves expressing concerns - it was not a matter of
>>>>> dropping to
>>>> a
>>>>> vote to resolve it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wanda feels it requires skipping over credentialling until we are
>>>>> face-to-face.? I think we need to follow our standing rules for
>>>>> this like
>>>>> any other meeting.? We need to seat people either one by one or
>>>>> some other
>>>>> way since we always have.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have not even gotten to seating Wanda and Jamie C.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I want to thank Wanda for hanging in on the absolutely
>>>>> critical piece
>>>> of
>>>>> bridge building - her love and commitment are clear - and I hope
>>>>> are a
>>>> model
>>>>> in calling and working together instead of avoiding resolution by
>>>>> avoiding
>>>>> connecting with each other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wanda and I will hopefully finish figuring this out.? I will put
>>>>> forward
>>>>> another seating proposal so she and Jamie as well as others
>>>>> willing to
>>>> serve
>>>>> can participate fully!
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours, Grace
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> peace and love - - - - - - - - - l
>>
>>
>>
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