[statecom] preliminary report on adcom meeting

Wed May 28 12:57:49 EDT 2008

Hi Members of the State Comm.

My objections to the process are based on the following:

"If they reject the results, the CDLC co-chairs, in consultation with other
CDLC members, will
 review the results, make any changes and submit the revised results within
one (1) week of the
>rejection."

The CDLC Chairs refused to call a meeting of the CDLC, despite the fact
that members of the CDLC knew that there 
were requests by other CDLC members to have a meeting for the sole reason
that they did not want to listen to 
members of the Committee who had a different opinion. Dave England then
sent a proposal to Adcom, which he 
labeled as the CDLC proposal.

I once again question the validity of the proposal that came before Adcom.

Since an invalid proposal came before Adcom, maybe the only valid proposal
was the initial CDLC proposal. If we 
follow the rules of the process, maybe that was what has been passed.

I admit that I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. Just a concerned member of the
State Comm and CDLC who wants our 
party to do the right thing.

Mike Heichman 

Original Message:
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From: Eli Beckerman elibeck at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:00:51 -0400
To: statecom at green-rainbow.org
Subject: Re: [statecom] preliminary report on adcom meeting

Jim, the latter part of that paragraph applies to AdCom REJECTING
the CDLC results. AdCom did not reject them, we failed to approve
or reject them.

I know that trust is low right now, and I can see how quoting only a segment
of the plan might set off alarm bells... but I ask you to read the section
again
and satisfy yourself that the allocation was indeed automatically approved.

Thanks,
Eli

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Jim Hammerman <jim_hammerman at terc.edu>
wrote:

> Greetings,
> Thank you for the update. I'm glad that AdCom finally had a chance to
> review the plan, as they're required to do. However, I'm confused about
> the conclusion you draw. You seem to be saying that because the plan
> failed to be approved that it was therefore approved. This paradox sent me
> back to the delegate allocation plan, the relevant section of which (p.9)
> I quote in full below.
>
> "The Administrative Committee must review and approve or reject the
> results within one (1) week
> of receiving them. Failure to approve or reject the results will
> automatically approve them. If
> they reject the results, the CDLC co-chairs, in consultation with other
> CDLC members, will
> review the results, make any changes and submit the revised results within
> one (1) week of the
> rejection. If the Administrative Committee still does not agree with the
> calculations that
> determine the results, then they have one (1) week to revise them or they
> are accepted."
>
> I think the relevant section of this plan is the _last_ sentence, which
> says that if AdCom does not agree with the allocation they need to revise
> them. So, were proposals for revision considered at yesterday's meeting?
> And, if so, what were they and what were the dispositions of those
> proposals?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> Merelice <merelice at gmail.com>
> Sent by: statecom-bounces at green-rainbow.org
> 05/28/08 09:04 AM
> Please respond to
> State Committee Official Business <statecom at green-rainbow.org>
>
>
> To
> statecom <statecom at green-rainbow.org>
> cc
> cdlc development <candidate-development at green-rainbow.org>
> Subject
> [statecom] preliminary report on adcom meeting
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> It is official. The Administrative Committee was not able to agree on
> the allocation of delegates to the presidential candidates on the GRP
> primary ballot.
>
> After a fully implemented consensus process -- lengthy discussion,
> several efforts to propose something we could consense on, listing of
> concerns, and going to a vote -- the allocation lost. Out of 10
> members present, 8 voted: 5 for the allocation and 3 against, falling
> short of the two-thirds needed.
>
> There is no longer any question about the amount of time adcom had to
> come to some agreement and that adcom conducted an in-person meeting
> that engaged in the consensus process. Therefore, according the the
> delegate-selection plan as follows, the CDLC calculation received
> automatic approval:
>
>  "The Administrative Committee must review and approve or reject the
> results within one (1) week of receiving them. Failure to approve or
> reject the results will automatically approve them."
>
> Merelice
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