The GRP stands for discussion and Green Unity

Proposal sponsor/shepherd: Matt Andrews

Floor manager: Maureen Doyle

Co-sponsors: Elie Yarden, David Keil

Contact info for floor manager: [email protected]

Summary: StateCom opposes expulsions or dis-accreditations over platform differences

Background: A complaint against the Georgia Green Party is under consideration in the Accreditation Committee

Text of Proposal:

The Green-Rainbow Party affirms the right of its members and those of other state parties to differ with aspects of the Green Party US platform while accepting the platform and Ten Key Values overall. Accordingly, we oppose the petition for punitive action against the Georgia Green Party being considered by the GPUS Accreditation Committee.

As alternatives to censuring, suspending, or expelling state parties or individual members on issues of sex and gender we advocate: education, democratic discussion, and debates. These must be free of insults, slurs, threats, and profane language.

Democratic discussion will be facilitated if participants' race, ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, and self-identification are respected. Expression of an individual’s opinions and feelings do not constitute hate, bigotry or violence as long as the 10 Key Values are adhered to.

Implementation: The text of this proposal as adopted will be sent to the National Secretary and made known to the National Committee.

Financial Implications: none.

 

 


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  • David Keil
    commented 2021-04-08 09:31:16 -0400 · Flag
    The membership of StateCom has chosen the date of April 15 for its second Spring session, at which the co-facilitators, following the instructions of the April 1 session, scheduled presentation, discussion, and vote on the “Discussion and Unity” proposal submitted March 11 by four StateCom members.
  • Owen Broadhurst
    commented 2021-04-05 18:56:06 -0400 · Flag
    This whole entire thread helps illuminate why the party that I bolted serves no useful purpose and must be destroyed
  • Owen Broadhurst
    tagged this with Bad 2021-04-05 18:56:05 -0400
  • Elizabeth Humphrey
    commented 2021-04-05 12:09:48 -0400 · Flag
    For the greater good and CONSENSUS.
  • Elizabeth Humphrey
    commented 2021-04-05 12:08:40 -0400 · Flag
    That’s right David Keil…
    May the Universal Love move us in the direction of the greater good.

    So mote it be to HARM NONE and for the GREATER GOOD OF ALL.
  • David Keil
    commented 2021-04-05 11:21:01 -0400 · Flag
    :-) May the earth spirit help us find peace.
  • Jamie Guerin
    commented 2021-04-05 11:13:07 -0400 · Flag
    Okay. I guess i will need a different outfit. Now we are being made out to be puritans who want to purge heretics and hunt witches. Okay, got it.
  • Jamie Guerin
    commented 2021-04-05 11:03:17 -0400 · Flag
    So I, the all powerful green witch of the valley, should advice my coven, i mean chapter, not to summon that demon to defend the green party platform (which was the reason we all joined this party to begin with) because it’s Y’all swho are the evil witches. Oooh. Okay.
    This changes everything.
    Alexa, please cancel black mass plans!
  • David Keil
    commented 2021-04-05 10:54:44 -0400 · Flag
    Nobody, for or against the proposal, has demonic powers or is demonic.

    To say that making a proposal to reject a split is “causing splits and resignations,” however, attributes demonic power to those making the proposal. We are said to have the power to control the actions of others, and at a distance!
  • Elizabeth Humphrey
    commented 2021-04-05 10:34:56 -0400
    From “all lives matter” now to “fire and brimstone” being used against those standing up for human rights as a non-negotiable platform plank & and “demonic powers” being attributed against those who would defend the GPUS Platform and our 10 key values as values we must not compromise – here in the GRP
    “Jaw dropping” is all I have to say.
  • Carole Oyler
    commented 2021-04-05 10:09:38 -0400 · Flag
    For those intetested in dictionary definitions..

    Grassroots democracy is a tendency towards designing political processes that shift as much decision-making authority as practical to the organization’s lowest geographic or social level of organization.
  • Jamie Guerin
    commented 2021-04-05 09:56:06 -0400
    Lol
    “Demonic powers”? Is this the 5th century?It’s getting really hard to tell these days when we are acrually talking about supporting the right to strip human rights from people in the green party/GRP.
    I can assure you that I am not an authoritarian demon witch or a slogan slingin’ trendy Stalin either. This focus on me is kind of creepy though.
    I am a grass root
    We are the grassroots.
  • Juan Gabriel Sanchez-Sanchez
    commented 2021-04-05 09:03:32 -0400 · Flag
    Demonic forces at play? Yes we are summoning demons and conjuring up evil forces

    I wish you hadn’t exposed our secret cult of green black witches and wizards who use the power of evil to make things go our way.
  • Juan Gabriel Sanchez-Sanchez
    commented 2021-04-05 09:00:06 -0400
    Again David is fearmongering. No one said we are expelling members. Stop trying to push this false narrative. Stop trying to scare people to vote your way.

    The difference between our arguments is clear. One is actually happening the other is smoke and mirrors meant to cause fear. Nowhere has anyone suggested even once expelling members well no one but David K.

    If David K fears expulsion of members then let him.as a starecom member write a proposal to address that but these portraying of us as the boogeyman here to kick people out is disrespectful to all of us who consistently do work that aligns with the GP and GRP directly and indirectly and are representative of the people the GP and GRP claim to fight for and represent.
  • David Keil
    commented 2021-04-05 08:53:45 -0400 · Flag
    Those who have been driving for a split, and those who have boarded the split train, are narrowing the room for compromise daily.

    They say that making a proposal to reject a split is “causing splits and resignations.” What demonic power is attributed to dissenters the power to control the actions of others!

    The GRP offers a non-bullying, non-threatening way to oppose a bad proposal: speak and vote against it!

    It is becoming evident that rejection of the proposal made March 11, “Discussion and Unity,” would empower the expulsion not only of another state party, but of GRP members. The position of not expelling the GaGP is now being falsified as a “support Georgia” proposal. Those for not expelling another state party are being labeled as expellable for their ideas.

    State Committee members: What is the difference now between okaying the expulsion of Georgia and okaying the expulsion of GRP members?

    The expulsion-and-split wildfire will touch those who try to run from it. You will be asked why you hesitated to drive out the heretics. The wildfire has consumed many other states of the GPUS, but not all, contrary to Jamie.

    Who is standing up for the right to make or oppose proposals? Who remembers the value of “grassroots democracy”?
  • Lois Gagnon
    commented 2021-04-05 08:21:40 -0400
    How can the implementation of this proposal prevent splits in the party when it’s already causing a fracture and resignations before implementation? That makes no sense. If the sponsors don’t want fractures in the party, they should tell Georgia to reverse its platform changes that have caused the complaint against them. The onus is on those who are causing splits and resignations right now, not on those who are fleeing the party in disgust that the Green Party and the GRP would even entertain “discussing” the validity of trans human rights.
  • Jamie Guerin
    commented 2021-04-05 07:15:06 -0400 · Flag
    Mike isn’t the only only that doesnt support either the original proposal or “Jill’s Compromise”. Mike isn’t the only one who finds this to be abusive. Mike isn’t the only one to resign ans I fear won’t be the last. What we all have been saying from the start still is true and we are witnessing what we feared would happen simply by ENTERTAINING the thought of defending someone’s rights to strip rights from others. Many of us supported Mike H. ‘S first amendments/counter but he isn’t Jill so it wasn’t entertained. That’s too bad because he is showing much more conviction.
    No wishy washy business when it comes to human rights. Stand up firmly.
    16 months of dialoge and attempted mediation and due process on National and this is where we are at. GAGP still have time to remove their anti-trans amendments and end this balltle natiionally. The sponsors of this proposal in this state (the ONLY state entertaining this by the way) have time to withdraw and also end this madness.
    My suspicion is that neither one will, which says A LOT about how they actually feel about “unity” or keeping the party “together”.
    Beating someone into submission is not unity.
  • David Keil
    commented 2021-04-04 23:42:50 -0400
    Mike Heichman asks about the status of the proposal that is to be presented, discussed, and voted on at the next StateCom session, titled, “The GRP Stands for Discussion and Green Unity.” It states that the GRP will not resolve political differences by expulsions. Its status is unchanged. I expect it to obtain a majority, helping the GPUS to avoid expelling a state party for ideological reasons.

    Jill Stein’s draft has obtained some backing. If it obtains enough commitments of support to predict a Steering Committee 2/3 majority, it may be considered as a friendly amendment by sponsors of the Green Unity proposal.

    I’m sorry that Mike cannot support either draft and that he seems OK with the use of expulsions and splits to resolve differences. In my opinion, unless StateCom opposes these disruptive methods, our party may fracture and decline further. If different views can coexist, then our party can grow.
  • Michael Heichman
    commented 2021-04-04 23:10:48 -0400 · Flag
    4/04

    Comrades:

    Since the recent StateCom meeting, I’m not sure what is still in front of us. Are we still debating the “Support Georgia” proposal or are the co-sponsors withdrawing this and embracing Jill’s Compromise? It would be helpful to know,

    Speaking only for myself, the withdrawal of the “Support Georgia” proposal would be a major step forward.

    The positive thing that happened at our recent StateCom Meeting was the addition of four veteran members of our party and their return to the leadership of our party. Each one will add to our diversity and to our strength.

    Unfortunately, the decision to admit them took a long. Long time. Each of them said that they wanted to return to the leadership of our party in order to build and strength of our party. Some of them said that they felt disrespected by those who raised concerns.
    ==============
    Just before the meeting, Jill had submitted her Compromise, which I did not see before the meeting.

    Jill’s Compromise:

    The GRP affirms the civil, human, and economic rights of the trans community, and respect for self-identification.

    The Green-Rainbow Party has overcome divisive issues in the past through civil dialogue, education and respectful persuasion, rather than bullying or expulsion. We are committed to achieving that unity going forward as well.

    Implementation:

    State committee will work with Maha Visnu to establish a process for further dialogue and education, including reading lists.
    ============
    The leadership of our party is deeply divided and pained about this controversy. I am in solidarity with those who do not want our party to make a statement supporting GAGP, do not want to continue this harmful and painful dialogue, continue to request that the co-sponsors withdraw this proposal, and that we should move forward together in positive ways to build and strengthen our party.

    One of those nominated, Juan Sanchez, withdrew in disgust his request to join StateCom. The next day, he angrily resigned from our party. I believe that Juan Sanchez ia a representative of the diversity that we want to welcome into our party and into our leadership. All of us should be in mourning over his resignation and our loss.

    2 members of ComCom have resigned. One because he wanted to protest and be in solidarity with members of his chapter. The second was me. I resigned because it is my belief that this latest Un-Civil War is crippling most of our positive energy. I believe that efforts to build and strengthen our party have been sacrificed because of this latest Uncivil War.

    I do not know David Kohlmeir, who also has resigned.

    There may be others.

    I address my question to the Cosponsors of this proposal: Has this struggle been worth the cost? How much more pain and suffering are you willing to stomach?

    =============

    When it comes to Jill’s Compromise, I believe that their position remains the same and I will remain in solidarity with these comrades. However, I know that I am making an assumption. If I’m wrong and they instead want to embrace Jill’s Compromise, I withdraw what I am going to write below.

    Why I’m opposed to Jill’s Compromise:

    Imagine for a moment that the issue before us was domestic violence and those in authority called for mandatory dialogue between the abuser and the abused. The woman screamed, “I’m sick and tired of being abused. I’m sick and tired of dialogue. Been there and done that. I want the battering to stop. I want the dialogue to stop. No Mas!

    I know that the situation that we as a party are dealing with is not the same as above. Comrades, for me, it feels very similar. Some of my comrades have been saying for quite some time now—- This discussion has been harmful and painful. Maha organized two separate discussions that many of us participated. We have communicated endlessly by email. This discussion has been harmful and painful. STOP IT!

    If my comrades want to continue this dialogue, they will say so. In this case, the proposal should be withdrawn because it willl not be needed, because Maha would be very happy to organize such a discussion.

    However, if I’m right and my comrades object to further dialogue, then the adoption of Jill’s Compromise would be ABUSIVE!

    2. Jill’s Compromise begins with a brief positive statement.

    The GRP affirms the civil, human, and economic rights of the trans community, and respect for self-identification. Normally, I would be supportive of this statement. Unfortunately, given what has been happening, it feels hollow to me.

    I will now offer a DRAFT counter-proposal to the Co-Sponsors and to the StateCom:

    The Co-Sponsors withdraw their initial proposal.
    The Co-Sponsors thanks Jill for her efforts and decline to embrace her Compromise.
    The Co-Sponsors offers the following proposal for reconsideration at the next StateCom Meeting

    THE GRP STANDS FOR TRANS RIGHTS

    PROPOSAL SPONSOR/SHEPERS: ??
    FLOOR MANAGER: ??
    ?
    CO-SPONSORS: ?
    CONTACT INFO FOR FLOOR MANAGER: ????

    SUMMARY: THE GRP PROUDLY ENDORSES ITS HISTORIC COMMITMENT TO DEFEND THE RIGHTS OF OUR TRANSGENDER SIBLINGS

    BACKGROUND: Our Transgender Siblings are under attack across the country.

    TEXT OF PROPOSAL: THE STATECOM ESTABLISHES A COMMITTEE TO DEFEND AND PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF OUR TRANSGENDER SIBLINGS IN OUR STATE, OUR COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD

    IMPLEMENTATION:

    StateCom will elect at least 2 Co-Chairs for this Committee.
    ComCom will send out a message to our membership by every reasonable means possible inviting our membership to join this new committee.
    StateCom will request that our co-chairs sign this invitation letter.

    Financial Implications: Matt and Brian will be in charge of raising the necessary funds. (Only kidding!)

    Proposal Lovingly Submitted by Mike Heichman
     
     
  • Elizabeth Humphrey
    commented 2021-04-04 14:25:25 -0400 · Flag
    Well, this is an interesting point of view from a Green… I think we all know where “All Lives Matter” comes from…
  • Maureen Doyle
    commented 2021-04-04 14:12:19 -0400 · Flag
    Thank you Jack! No one is saying that trans lives are not valid! All lives are valid!! we do not need to expell a third party when the state that it is from (GA) has a law on the books making it very difficult (if not impossible) to run. This was discussed last evening at the GRT.
  • Jordan Stewart
    commented 2021-04-04 05:41:11 -0400
    We don’t need to “talk out” whether nor not trans lives are valid and worthy of protection with the GA party. I am not normally one for expulsion straightaway, but we don’t need to have a debate with GA about it… They should simply be told they are not in line with the Platform and that their accreditation could be endangered if they continue to support oppressive, transphobic policies. Intentionally putting trans lives in danger is not something to have discussions and debates about. It is something that is to be shut down immediately.
  • Jack Swindlehurst
    commented 2021-04-03 21:25:31 -0400 · Flag
    I like Jill’s (purported) proposal, though, it is a bit general, both in description and implementation.
    Can we get a formal proposal so as to avoid misunderstanding it’s relevance in present commentary?
  • Elizabeth Humphrey
    commented 2021-04-03 20:37:05 -0400 · Flag
    Who moderates this website page?
    The comment I just posted below on April 3, 2021 at 8:19pm was posted earlier today by David Kohlmeier date & time noted in my post. Why was his post censored for no reason that I can see that would violate any of our written policies.
  • Elizabeth Humphrey
    commented 2021-04-03 20:19:18 -0400 · Flag
    Orwellian censorship happening in the GRP
    WOW… how much more disturbing can this “dialogue” get. I am deeply dismayed.

    Date: April 3, 2021 at 6:42:32 PM EDT
    To: Green-Rainbow Party
    Subject: Re: New comment on The GRP stands for discussion and Green Unity

    I am deeply disturbed to hear that transphobia is now  an accepted position in this party. I said I was going to leave, but was talked into staying. I will now actually withdraw. I can’t believe the Democrats are now officially more progressive than Massachusetts Greens, but here we are. You have found an issue of agreement between your party and white nationalists. Congratulations. 
    If you feel that right wing talking points and outright falsities (anti trans pseudo-science being promulgated by right wing forces) are a valid point of view, then you have no more moral leg to stand on. You have declared yourself at best to be unsafe for queer people, and at worst an enemy. 
    I am beginning to wonder if the Greens rather vague liberal “environmentalism” hasn’t led to an odd kind of proto eco-fascism, where whatever is defined as “natural” is privileged over what is just. This is the only way I can imagine how the outmoded idea that “women” are defined by genitals and biology (in direct contradiction to what numerous feminists have said for decades, not to mention in outright rejection of what science actually says about the fluidity and spectrum of biological) has been able to gain such prominence and power. 
    Without intersectional justice, without a firm and explicit rejection of capitalism and white supremacy, without centering an ethic of radical interdependence and eco-socialist justice, I fear the Greens may soon become irrelevant and even an obstacle to the future our planet needs.  
    Good bye
  • Lois Gagnon
    commented 2021-04-03 19:53:59 -0400
    Why is David Kohlmeier’s comment not posting here? He just left the GRP because of this proposal. Congratulations. People are resigning on a daily basis. So much for unity. Do the proposal sponsors even care that we are bleeding members? Unity at the cost of party values is no victory. At this rate, the GRP will wind up consisting of 8 people.
  • Jack Swindlehurst
    commented 2021-04-03 19:06:38 -0400 · Flag
    I fully support the idea that we DO NOT CONSIDER EXPULSION before we’ve had a chance to talk it out.
  • David Keil
    commented 2021-04-02 22:25:25 -0400 · Flag
    No proposal has been withdrawn. The status of the document Mike posted is as Matt describes it, as far as I know.
  • Michael Heichman
    commented 2021-04-02 15:27:05 -0400
    I did not know about Jill’s attempt to find a compromise until the meeting. Have the co-sponsors of “The GRP Stands For Discussion and Green Unity” Proposal withdrawn their original proposal and substituted Jill’s “Compromise”.

    I submit this so we could have the document in front of us.

    Mike Heichman

    ===============

    Matt Andrews sent this to StateCom:
    I look forward to our meeting that will begin in a few minutes. Jill Stein has put in a lot of work today to try to develop a compromise proposal that all sides can accept. She has made a heroic effort that I think we should applaud. Unfortunately, we aren’t quite there yet. This is the draft of a new motion as it currently stands. I am willing to offer this as a substitute motion (and I am hopeful my co-sponsors will also agree) IF State Committee members who haven’t committed to supporting the original motion would be willing to accept this alternative. This is an effort to build a broader unity that on StateCom and to preserve the unity of the GRP. Please look it over in addition to the original proposal: https://www.green-rainbow.org/197640/the_grp_stands_for_discussion_rather_than_dis-accreditation

    In Solidarity,

    ~Matthew Andrews

    Summary:

    The Green-Rainbow Party affirms trans rights and commits to overcoming current divisions through civil dialogue and respectful persuasion.

    Background:

    Concerns have arisen over the prospects of a split in the GRP. This proposal is offered as a pathway towards preserving unity and an expression of our commitment to justice for all.

    Text of Proposal:

    The GRP affirms the civil, human, and economic rights of the trans community, and respect for self-identification.

    The Green-Rainbow Party has overcome divisive issues in the past through civil dialogue, education and respectful persuasion, rather than bullying or expulsion. We are committed to achieving that unity going forward as well.

    Implementation:

    State committee will work with Maha Visnu to establish a process for further dialogue and education, including reading lists.
  • Carole Oyler
    commented 2021-04-02 12:31:13 -0400 · Flag
    David
    In reading your ‘parts’ of the compromise im seeing i can be a racist, a homophobe, Against any and all the 10 key values and I can’t be expelled. Sounds like a free for all to me, but hey as long as there is no expulsion , you are cool with that.